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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Victor Kaplansky <VICTORK@il.ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PPC dev <linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Michael Ellerman <michael@ellerman.id.au>,
	Michael Neuling <mikey@neuling.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] arch: Introduce new TSO memory barrier smp_tmb()
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 12:22:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131104112254.GK28601@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131104105059.GL3947@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 02:51:00AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> OK, something like this for the definitions (though PowerPC might want
> to locally abstract the lwsync expansion):
> 
> 	#define smp_store_with_release_semantics(p, v) /* x86, s390, etc. */ \
> 	do { \
> 		barrier(); \
> 		ACCESS_ONCE(p) = (v); \
> 	} while (0)
> 
> 	#define smp_store_with_release_semantics(p, v) /* PowerPC. */ \
> 	do { \
> 		__asm__ __volatile__ (stringify_in_c(LWSYNC) : : :"memory"); \
> 		ACCESS_ONCE(p) = (v); \
> 	} while (0)
> 
> 	#define smp_load_with_acquire_semantics(p) /* x86, s390, etc. */ \
> 	({ \
> 		typeof(*p) *_________p1 = ACCESS_ONCE(p); \
> 		barrier(); \
> 		_________p1; \
> 	})
> 
> 	#define smp_load_with_acquire_semantics(p) /* PowerPC. */ \
> 	({ \
> 		typeof(*p) *_________p1 = ACCESS_ONCE(p); \
> 		__asm__ __volatile__ (stringify_in_c(LWSYNC) : : :"memory"); \
> 		_________p1; \
> 	})
> 
> For ARM, smp_load_with_acquire_semantics() is a wrapper around the ARM
> "ldar" instruction and smp_store_with_release_semantics() is a wrapper
> around the ARM "stlr" instruction.

This still leaves me confused as to what to do with my case :/

Slightly modified since last time -- as the simplified version was maybe
simplified too far.

To recap, I'd like to get rid of barrier A where possible, since that's
now a full barrier for every event written.

However, there's no immediate store I can attach it to; the obvious one
would be the kbuf->head store, but that's complicated by the
local_cmpxchg() thing.

And we need that cmpxchg loop because a hardware NMI event can
interleave with a software event.

And to be honest, I'm still totally confused about memory barriers vs
control flow vs C/C++. The only way we're ever getting to that memcpy is
if we've already observed ubuf->tail, so that LOAD has to be fully
processes and completed.

I'm really not seeing how a STORE from the memcpy() could possibly go
wrong; and if C/C++ can hoist the memcpy() over a compiler barrier()
then I suppose we should all just go home.

/me who wants A to be a barrier() but is terminally confused.

---


/*
 * One important detail is that the kbuf part and the kbuf_writer() are
 * strictly per cpu and we can thus rely on program order for those.
 *
 * Only the userspace consumer can possibly run on another cpu, and thus we
 * need to ensure data consistency for those.
 */

struct buffer {
        u64 size;
        u64 tail;
        u64 head;
        void *data;
};

struct buffer *kbuf, *ubuf;

/*
 * If there's space in the buffer; store the data @buf; otherwise
 * discard it.
 */
void kbuf_write(int sz, void *buf)
{
	u64 tail, head, offset;

	do {
		tail = ACCESS_ONCE(ubuf->tail);
		offset = head = kbuf->head;
		if (CIRC_SPACE(head, tail, kbuf->size) < sz) {
			/* discard @buf */
			return;
		}
		head += sz;
	} while (local_cmpxchg(&kbuf->head, offset, head) != offset)

        /*
         * Ensure that if we see the userspace tail (ubuf->tail) such
         * that there is space to write @buf without overwriting data
         * userspace hasn't seen yet, we won't in fact store data before
         * that read completes.
         */

        smp_mb(); /* A, matches with D */

        memcpy(kbuf->data + offset, buf, sz);

        /*
         * Ensure that we write all the @buf data before we update the
         * userspace visible ubuf->head pointer.
         */
        smp_wmb(); /* B, matches with C */

        ubuf->head = kbuf->head;
}

/*
 * Consume the buffer data and update the tail pointer to indicate to
 * kernel space there's 'free' space.
 */
void ubuf_read(void)
{
        u64 head, tail;

        tail = ACCESS_ONCE(ubuf->tail);
        head = ACCESS_ONCE(ubuf->head);

        /*
         * Ensure we read the buffer boundaries before the actual buffer
         * data...
         */
        smp_rmb(); /* C, matches with B */

        while (tail != head) {
                obj = ubuf->data + tail;
                /* process obj */
                tail += obj->size;
                tail %= ubuf->size;
        }

        /*
         * Ensure all data reads are complete before we issue the
         * ubuf->tail update; once that update hits, kbuf_write() can
         * observe and overwrite data.
         */
        smp_mb(); /* D, matches with A */

        ubuf->tail = tail;
}

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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Michael Neuling <mikey@neuling.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PPC dev <linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>,
	Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Victor Kaplansky <VICTORK@il.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] arch: Introduce new TSO memory barrier smp_tmb()
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 12:22:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131104112254.GK28601@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131104105059.GL3947@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 02:51:00AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> OK, something like this for the definitions (though PowerPC might want
> to locally abstract the lwsync expansion):
> 
> 	#define smp_store_with_release_semantics(p, v) /* x86, s390, etc. */ \
> 	do { \
> 		barrier(); \
> 		ACCESS_ONCE(p) = (v); \
> 	} while (0)
> 
> 	#define smp_store_with_release_semantics(p, v) /* PowerPC. */ \
> 	do { \
> 		__asm__ __volatile__ (stringify_in_c(LWSYNC) : : :"memory"); \
> 		ACCESS_ONCE(p) = (v); \
> 	} while (0)
> 
> 	#define smp_load_with_acquire_semantics(p) /* x86, s390, etc. */ \
> 	({ \
> 		typeof(*p) *_________p1 = ACCESS_ONCE(p); \
> 		barrier(); \
> 		_________p1; \
> 	})
> 
> 	#define smp_load_with_acquire_semantics(p) /* PowerPC. */ \
> 	({ \
> 		typeof(*p) *_________p1 = ACCESS_ONCE(p); \
> 		__asm__ __volatile__ (stringify_in_c(LWSYNC) : : :"memory"); \
> 		_________p1; \
> 	})
> 
> For ARM, smp_load_with_acquire_semantics() is a wrapper around the ARM
> "ldar" instruction and smp_store_with_release_semantics() is a wrapper
> around the ARM "stlr" instruction.

This still leaves me confused as to what to do with my case :/

Slightly modified since last time -- as the simplified version was maybe
simplified too far.

To recap, I'd like to get rid of barrier A where possible, since that's
now a full barrier for every event written.

However, there's no immediate store I can attach it to; the obvious one
would be the kbuf->head store, but that's complicated by the
local_cmpxchg() thing.

And we need that cmpxchg loop because a hardware NMI event can
interleave with a software event.

And to be honest, I'm still totally confused about memory barriers vs
control flow vs C/C++. The only way we're ever getting to that memcpy is
if we've already observed ubuf->tail, so that LOAD has to be fully
processes and completed.

I'm really not seeing how a STORE from the memcpy() could possibly go
wrong; and if C/C++ can hoist the memcpy() over a compiler barrier()
then I suppose we should all just go home.

/me who wants A to be a barrier() but is terminally confused.

---


/*
 * One important detail is that the kbuf part and the kbuf_writer() are
 * strictly per cpu and we can thus rely on program order for those.
 *
 * Only the userspace consumer can possibly run on another cpu, and thus we
 * need to ensure data consistency for those.
 */

struct buffer {
        u64 size;
        u64 tail;
        u64 head;
        void *data;
};

struct buffer *kbuf, *ubuf;

/*
 * If there's space in the buffer; store the data @buf; otherwise
 * discard it.
 */
void kbuf_write(int sz, void *buf)
{
	u64 tail, head, offset;

	do {
		tail = ACCESS_ONCE(ubuf->tail);
		offset = head = kbuf->head;
		if (CIRC_SPACE(head, tail, kbuf->size) < sz) {
			/* discard @buf */
			return;
		}
		head += sz;
	} while (local_cmpxchg(&kbuf->head, offset, head) != offset)

        /*
         * Ensure that if we see the userspace tail (ubuf->tail) such
         * that there is space to write @buf without overwriting data
         * userspace hasn't seen yet, we won't in fact store data before
         * that read completes.
         */

        smp_mb(); /* A, matches with D */

        memcpy(kbuf->data + offset, buf, sz);

        /*
         * Ensure that we write all the @buf data before we update the
         * userspace visible ubuf->head pointer.
         */
        smp_wmb(); /* B, matches with C */

        ubuf->head = kbuf->head;
}

/*
 * Consume the buffer data and update the tail pointer to indicate to
 * kernel space there's 'free' space.
 */
void ubuf_read(void)
{
        u64 head, tail;

        tail = ACCESS_ONCE(ubuf->tail);
        head = ACCESS_ONCE(ubuf->head);

        /*
         * Ensure we read the buffer boundaries before the actual buffer
         * data...
         */
        smp_rmb(); /* C, matches with B */

        while (tail != head) {
                obj = ubuf->data + tail;
                /* process obj */
                tail += obj->size;
                tail %= ubuf->size;
        }

        /*
         * Ensure all data reads are complete before we issue the
         * ubuf->tail update; once that update hits, kbuf_write() can
         * observe and overwrite data.
         */
        smp_mb(); /* D, matches with A */

        ubuf->tail = tail;
}

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-04 11:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-22 23:54 perf events ring buffer memory barrier on powerpc Michael Neuling
2013-10-23  7:39 ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-23  7:39   ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-23 14:19 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-23 14:19   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-23 14:25   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-23 14:25     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-25 17:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-25 17:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-25 20:31     ` Michael Neuling
2013-10-25 20:31       ` Michael Neuling
2013-10-27  9:00     ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-27  9:00       ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-28  9:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-28  9:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-28 10:02     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-28 10:02       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-28 12:38       ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-28 12:38         ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-28 13:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-28 13:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-28 16:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-28 16:34             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-28 20:17             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-28 20:17               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-28 20:58               ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-28 20:58                 ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-29 10:21                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-29 10:21                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-29 10:30                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-29 10:30                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-29 10:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-29 10:35                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-29 20:15                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-29 20:15                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-29 19:27                     ` Vince Weaver
2013-10-29 19:27                       ` Vince Weaver
2013-10-30 10:42                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 10:42                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 11:48                         ` James Hogan
2013-10-30 11:48                           ` James Hogan
2013-10-30 12:48                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 12:48                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 13:19                         ` [tip:perf/core] tools/perf: Add required memory barriers tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 13:50                           ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-06 14:00                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 14:28                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 14:55                                 ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-06 15:10                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 15:23                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 14:44                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 16:07                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 17:31                                   ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-06 18:24                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-07  8:21                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-07 14:27                                         ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-07 15:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-11 16:24                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-11 21:10                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-29 21:23                     ` perf events ring buffer memory barrier on powerpc Michael Neuling
2013-10-29 21:23                       ` Michael Neuling
2013-10-30  9:27                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-30  9:27                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-30 11:25                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 11:25                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 14:52                     ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-30 14:52                       ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-30 15:39                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 15:39                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 17:14                         ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-30 17:14                           ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-30 17:44                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 17:44                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-31  6:16                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31  6:16                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-01 13:12                         ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-11-01 13:12                           ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-11-02 16:36                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 16:36                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 17:26                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 17:26                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31  6:40                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31  6:40                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-01 14:25                       ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-11-01 14:25                         ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-11-02 17:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 17:28                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-01 14:56                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-01 14:56                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-02 17:32                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 17:32                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-03 14:40                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-03 14:40                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-03 15:17                             ` [RFC] arch: Introduce new TSO memory barrier smp_tmb() Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-03 15:17                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-03 18:08                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-03 18:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-03 20:01                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-03 20:01                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-03 22:42                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-03 22:42                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-03 23:34                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-03 23:34                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-04 10:51                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 10:51                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 11:22                                         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-11-04 11:22                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04 16:27                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 16:27                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 16:48                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04 16:48                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04 19:11                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04 19:11                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04 19:18                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04 19:18                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04 20:54                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 20:54                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 20:53                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 20:53                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-05 14:05                                                 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-05 14:05                                                   ` Will Deacon
2013-11-05 14:49                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-05 14:49                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-05 18:49                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-05 18:49                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 11:00                                                     ` Will Deacon
2013-11-06 11:00                                                       ` Will Deacon
2013-11-06 12:39                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 12:39                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 12:51                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-06 12:51                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-06 13:57                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 13:57                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 18:48                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-06 18:48                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-06 19:42                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-06 19:42                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-07 11:17                                                       ` Will Deacon
2013-11-07 11:17                                                         ` Will Deacon
2013-11-07 13:36                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-07 13:36                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-07 23:50                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-11-07 23:50                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-11-04 11:05                                       ` Will Deacon
2013-11-04 11:05                                         ` Will Deacon
2013-11-04 16:34                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 16:34                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-03 20:59                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-11-03 20:59                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-11-03 22:43                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-03 22:43                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-03 17:07                             ` perf events ring buffer memory barrier on powerpc Will Deacon
2013-11-03 22:47                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04  9:57                                 ` Will Deacon
2013-11-04 10:52                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-01 16:11                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-01 16:11                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-02 17:46                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 17:46                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-01 16:18                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-01 16:18                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-02 17:49                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 17:49                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-30 13:28                   ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-30 13:28                     ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-30 15:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 15:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 18:29                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 18:29                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 19:11                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-30 19:11                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-31  4:33                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31  4:33                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31  4:32                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31  4:32                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31  9:04                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-31  9:04                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-31 15:07                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31 15:07                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31 15:19                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-31 15:19                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-01  9:28                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-01  9:28                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-01 10:30                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-01 10:30                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-02 15:20                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 15:20                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04  9:07                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04  9:07                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-04 10:00                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-04 10:00                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31  9:59                       ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-31  9:59                         ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-31 12:28                         ` David Laight
2013-10-31 12:28                           ` David Laight
2013-10-31 12:55                           ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-31 12:55                             ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-10-31 15:25                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-31 15:25                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-01 16:06                           ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-11-01 16:06                             ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-11-01 16:25                             ` David Laight
2013-11-01 16:25                               ` David Laight
2013-11-01 16:30                               ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-11-01 16:30                                 ` Victor Kaplansky
2013-11-03 20:57                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-11-03 20:57                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-11-02 15:46                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-02 15:46                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-28 19:09           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-28 19:09             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-29 14:06     ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf: Fix perf ring buffer memory ordering tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra

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