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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@maine.edu>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: perf/tracepoint: another fuzzer generated lockup
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:13:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131111211345.GC19284@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131111155347.GK19203@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>


* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 01:44:19PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > That said, I'm not sure what kernel you're running, but there were 
> > > > some issues with time-keeping hereabouts, but more importantly that 
> > > > second timing includes the printk() call of the first -- so that's 
> > > > always going to be fucked.
> > > 
> > > It's a recent tip:master. So the delta debug printout is certainly 
> > > buggy, meanwhile these lockup only happen with Vince selftests, and they 
> > > trigger a lot of these NMI-too-long issues, or may be that's the other 
> > > way round :)...
> > > 
> > > I'm trying to narrow down the issue, lets hope the lockup is not 
> > > actually due to printk itself.
> > 
> > I'd _very_ strongly suggest to not include the printk() overhead in the 
> > execution time delta! What that function wants to report is pure NMI 
> > execution overhead, not problem reporting overhead.
> > 
> > That way any large number reported there is always a bug somewhere, 
> > somehow.
> 
> -ENOPATCH :-)
> 
> You'll find that there's two levels of measuring NMI latency and the 
> outer will invariably include the reporting of the inner one; fixing 
> that is going to be hideously ugly.
> 
> That said, I would very strongly suggest to tear that printk() from the 
> NMI path, its just waiting to wreck someone's machine :-)

So why not just write the value somewhere and printk once at the end of 
the NMI sequence, once everything is said and done?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-11 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-08 19:45 perf/tracepoint: another fuzzer generated lockup Vince Weaver
2013-11-08 20:06 ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-08 20:02   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-08 20:23     ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-08 20:48       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-08 21:15         ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-08 22:24           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-08 22:36           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-09  1:09             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-09 14:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-09 14:20               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-11 12:44                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-11 15:53                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-11 21:13                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-11-09 14:52               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-09 15:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-09 15:27                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-09 15:59                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-09 16:08                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-09 15:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-09 15:22               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-09 15:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-14 15:23               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-14 15:33                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-14 15:35                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-15  1:16                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-11-15 12:28                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-15 14:15                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-15 14:28                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-17  7:53                           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-11-17  9:43                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-14 16:03                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-14 17:20                 ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-14 17:14                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-14 17:41                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-14 19:18                     ` Vince Weaver
2013-11-19 19:18                 ` [tip:perf/urgent] ftrace, perf: Avoid infinite event generation loop tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-09  0:25           ` perf/tracepoint: another fuzzer generated lockup Frederic Weisbecker

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