From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Richard Cochran Subject: Re: ACPI vs DT at runtime Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:40:57 +0100 Message-ID: <20131120064056.GB5272@netboy> References: <20131115095717.GC1709@e106331-lin.cambridge.arm.com> <5289A356.4060004@jonmasters.org> <20131118150052.GC24408@sirena.org.uk> <20131118191336.GB5886@quad.lixom.net> <20131119091216.GA4412@netboy> <20131119184827.GD20967@quad.lixom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20131119184827.GD20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org> Sender: devicetree-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org To: Olof Johansson Cc: Mark Brown , Jon Masters , devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org, grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org List-Id: devicetree@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:48:27AM -0800, Olof Johansson wrote: > > This is just a tangent and a distraction anyway: You should know by > now that we've decided to keep backwards compatibility going forward, > so any argument about why we did it differently before is leading nowhere. Yes, I know it is tangent, but the tone in which you address people (like Jon Masters) who complain about DT quality is really not fair. When DT for arm was first proposed, I argued against it in vain. Since then, I have really, truly tried my best to keep on top of the DT discussions on the arm list, because everyone working on the arm platform will have to know DT intimately, whether they want to or not. Now, I never saw any proclamation or discussion about "DT is in flux" on the arm list. If I had, I surely would have complained, and loudly. AFAICT, this decision was made in rather private circles, but you talk as if this was abundantly clear. *It was not.* Or if it was announced in some way, just show me where. Otherwise, please stop the "we were upfront about this from day one" excuses. Thanks, Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe devicetree" in the body of a message to majordomo-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: richardcochran@gmail.com (Richard Cochran) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:40:57 +0100 Subject: ACPI vs DT at runtime In-Reply-To: <20131119184827.GD20967@quad.lixom.net> References: <20131115095717.GC1709@e106331-lin.cambridge.arm.com> <5289A356.4060004@jonmasters.org> <20131118150052.GC24408@sirena.org.uk> <20131118191336.GB5886@quad.lixom.net> <20131119091216.GA4412@netboy> <20131119184827.GD20967@quad.lixom.net> Message-ID: <20131120064056.GB5272@netboy> To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org List-Id: linux-arm-kernel.lists.infradead.org On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:48:27AM -0800, Olof Johansson wrote: > > This is just a tangent and a distraction anyway: You should know by > now that we've decided to keep backwards compatibility going forward, > so any argument about why we did it differently before is leading nowhere. Yes, I know it is tangent, but the tone in which you address people (like Jon Masters) who complain about DT quality is really not fair. When DT for arm was first proposed, I argued against it in vain. Since then, I have really, truly tried my best to keep on top of the DT discussions on the arm list, because everyone working on the arm platform will have to know DT intimately, whether they want to or not. Now, I never saw any proclamation or discussion about "DT is in flux" on the arm list. If I had, I surely would have complained, and loudly. AFAICT, this decision was made in rather private circles, but you talk as if this was abundantly clear. *It was not.* Or if it was announced in some way, just show me where. Otherwise, please stop the "we were upfront about this from day one" excuses. Thanks, Richard