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From: Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@redhat.com>
To: Kent Overstreet <kmo@daterainc.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2]percpu_ida: fix a live lock
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 16:50:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140209155006.GA16149@dhcp-26-207.brq.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140106214726.GD9037@kmo>

On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 01:47:26PM -0800, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> Ok, so I hadn't really given any thought to that kind of use case; insofar as I
> had I would've been skeptical percpu tag allocation made sense for 32 different
> tags at all.
> 
> We really don't want to screw over the users that aren't so constrained by the
> size of their tag space; there really is a huge performance tradeoff here
> (otherwise you're stealing tags and bouncing cachelines for _every_ tag
> allocation when the queue is full, and your percpu tag allocation is no longer
> very percpu).
> 
> I'm not sure what the best strategy is for NCQ-type max nr_tags, though -
> thoughts?
> 
> Easy thing to do for now is just to add another parameter to percpu_ida_init()
> for the number of tags that are allowed to sit unused on other cpu's freelists -
> users that have large relatively unbounded nr_tags can set that to nr_tags / 2,
> for NCQ you'd set it to 0.
> 
> I suspect we can do better for NCQ though, w.r.t. worst case performance.

Yeah, that was my first thought when I posted "percpu_ida: Allow variable
maximum number of cached tags" patch some few months ago. But I am back-
pedalling as it does not appear solves the fundamental problem - what is the
best threshold?

May be we can walk off with a per-cpu timeout that flushes batch nr of tags
from local caches to the pool? Each local allocation would restart the timer,
but once allocation requests stopped coming on a CPU the tags would not gather
dust in local caches.

-- 
Regards,
Alexander Gordeev
agordeev@redhat.com

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-09 15:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-31  3:38 [patch 1/2]percpu_ida: fix a live lock Shaohua Li
2014-01-04 21:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2014-01-05 13:13   ` Shaohua Li
2014-01-06 20:46     ` Kent Overstreet
2014-01-06 20:52       ` Jens Axboe
2014-01-06 21:47         ` Kent Overstreet
2014-02-09 15:50           ` Alexander Gordeev [this message]
2014-02-10 10:32             ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-02-10 12:29               ` Alexander Gordeev
2014-02-10 15:49                 ` Alexander Gordeev
2014-02-10 16:16                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-02-10 16:26               ` Jens Axboe
2014-02-10 22:41                 ` Kent Overstreet
2014-02-10 23:06                   ` Jens Axboe
2014-02-11  9:12                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-02-11 14:42                       ` James Bottomley
2014-02-11 14:53                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-02-14 10:36                     ` Alexander Gordeev

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