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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	bfields@fieldses.org, hch@infradead.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, dhowells@redhat.com, zab@redhat.com,
	jack@suse.cz, luto@amacapital.net, mszeredi@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/13] cross rename v4
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:04:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140217180408.GB16660@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140217081911.GZ13647@dastard>

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 07:19:11PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> [ FWIW, the normal way to write an xfstest like this is to write a
> small helper program that just does the renameat2() syscall (we
> often use xfs_io to provide this) and everything is just shell
> scripts to drive the helper program in the necessary way. We don't
> directly check that mode, size, destination of a file is correct -
> just stat(1) on the expected destinations is sufficient to capture
> this information. stdout is captured by the test harness and used to match
> against a golden output. If the match fails, the test fails.

The other reason why it's really nice to use a small helper program is
that it becomes much easier for file system developers to debug kernel
problems without having to create their own single-shot C programs.

It also becomes easier to debug a test failure by looking at the shell
script and manually running the commands one at a time, perhaps
changing some of the arguments after getting an xfstest failure from
inside a VM running a test kernel, since the VM very often won't even
have a C compiler.

It also becomes easier to add new test just simply by updating the
shell script, which is another win.

> And finally, it needs comments to explain what the test is actually
> testing - if you don't document what the test is supposed to be
> checking, how do we know that it is testing is actually correct?

Yes, please!

					- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-17 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-07 16:48 [PATCH 00/13] cross rename v4 Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:48 ` [PATCH 01/13] vfs: add d_is_dir() Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 17:36   ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-02-07 19:30   ` David Howells
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 02/13] vfs: rename: move d_move() up Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 03/13] vfs: rename: use common code for dir and non-dir Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 04/13] vfs: add renameat2 syscall Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 05/13] vfs: add RENAME_NOREPLACE flag Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 06/13] security: add flags to rename hooks Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 07/13] vfs: lock_two_nondirectories: allow directory args Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 21:16   ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-02-11 15:32     ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 08/13] vfs: add cross-rename Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 22:40   ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-02-11 15:55     ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 09/13] ext4: rename: create ext4_renament structure for local vars Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 10/13] ext4: rename: move EMLINK check up Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 11/13] ext4: rename: split out helper functions Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 12/13] ext4: add cross rename support Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-11 21:23   ` Jan Kara
2014-02-07 16:49 ` [PATCH 13/13] vfs: merge rename2 into rename Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-07 22:46 ` [PATCH 00/13] cross rename v4 J. Bruce Fields
2014-02-11 15:57   ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-13 19:32     ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-02-10 10:51 ` Dave Chinner
2014-02-11 16:01   ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-12 17:18     ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-17  8:19       ` Dave Chinner
2014-02-17 18:04         ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2014-03-19 13:57         ` xfstest for renameat2 system call (was: [PATCH 00/13] cross rename v4) Miklos Szeredi
2014-04-08  1:23           ` Dave Chinner
2014-02-13 15:54 ` [PATCH 00/13] cross rename v4 David Howells
2014-02-13 16:25   ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-13 16:42   ` David Howells
2014-02-13 17:28     ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-13 18:21       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-02-13 18:29       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-13 18:56         ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-13 19:20           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-13 19:02       ` David Howells
2014-02-13 19:32         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-13 20:17           ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-13 20:28           ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-24 17:12             ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-24 17:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-25  4:07               ` J. R. Okajima
2014-02-26 15:15               ` Jan Kara

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