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From: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>
To: Dmitry Kasatkin <d.kasatkin@samsung.com>
Cc: zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dmitry.kasatkin@gmail.com,
	mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] KEYS: validate key trust with owner and builtin keys only
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 08:20:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140610122008.GA31944@hansolo.jdub.homelinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1402387862.git.d.kasatkin@samsung.com>

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:48:14AM +0300, Dmitry Kasatkin wrote:
> Hi Mimi,
> 
> As you asked ofline , here is possible equivalent and simpler alternative
> patches not requiring to have additional keyring.
> 
> First patch are irrelevant minor fixes.
> 
> Also I want to discuss here Fedora UEFI patches as they are the reason for
> the these original patchset.
> 
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kernel.git/tree/modsign-uefi.patch
> 
> They provide functionality to specify MokIgnoreDb variable to limit loading of
> UEFI keys only from MOK List, while ignoring DB. This is certainly a good
> functionality. But once MODULE_SIG_UEFI is enabled, it looks there is no way
> to prevent loading keys from UEFI at all. And this might not be a good default
> functionality. Someone might want not allow loading of keys from UEFI unless
> kernel parameter is specified to allow it without recompiling the kernel
> and disabling MODULE_SIG_UEFI.
> 
> Josh, why such design decision was made?

IIRC, it's because kernel parameters can be added programmatically from a
remote user if they gain root access.  Having a kernel parameter to
disable a key piece of secure boot isn't all that great.  We disable
other kernel parameters like acpi_rspd as well.

> Why not to provide kernel parameter to have more fine-tune control over the
> functionality? Unconfigured machines will not have MokIgnoreDb and will
> allow to load kernel modules signed with certain undesired keys. In fact,

Undesired by whom?  If SB is enabled, your machine's firmware already
trusts those keys.

> I beleive, it should be default behavior of the kernel. Bootloader can
> enable UEFI functionality by specifing it on the kernel command line.

If it was enabled via boot params, or done in the early setup code that
might be possible.  I don't think a kernel parameter is the right
solution though.  I've added Matthew on CC.

josh

> Second patch allows to overcome keys coming from UEFI for key validation by
> specifing owner key id and is an alternative for v5 4/4 patch.
> 
> It was also a good idea presented in Mimi's v4 4/4 patch to have possibility
> to limit key trust valiation by only builtin keys. Third patch as an alternative.
> It uses keys->flags to specify origin of the key, but any additional field could
> be added as well.
> 
> Both key id and origin verification is done in x509_validate_trust().
> 
> Thanks,
> Dmitry
> 
> Dmitry Kasatkin (3):
>   KEYS: fix couple of things
>   KEYS: validate key trust only with selected owner key
>   KEYS: validate key trust only with builtin keys
> 
> Mimi Zohar (1):
>   KEYS: define an owner trusted keyring
> 
>  Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt      |  5 +++++
>  crypto/asymmetric_keys/x509_public_key.c | 35 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>  include/linux/key.h                      |  1 +
>  kernel/system_keyring.c                  |  1 +
>  4 files changed, 39 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> -- 
> 1.9.1
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-10 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-03 17:58 [RFC PATCH v5 0/4] ima: extending secure boot certificate chain of trust Mimi Zohar
2014-06-03 17:58 ` [RFC PATCH v5 1/4] KEYS: special dot prefixed keyring name bug fix Mimi Zohar
2014-06-06 21:48   ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-06 22:00     ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-09  7:56       ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-09  8:17         ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-03 17:58 ` [RFC PATCH v5 2/4] KEYS: verify a certificate is signed by a 'trusted' key Mimi Zohar
2014-06-06 21:50   ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-09 13:13     ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-09 13:48       ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-09 14:57         ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-03 17:58 ` [RFC PATCH v5 3/4] ima: define '.ima' as a builtin 'trusted' keyring Mimi Zohar
2014-06-06 21:53   ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-06 23:27     ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-09  8:45       ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-03 17:58 ` [RFC PATCH v5 4/4] KEYS: define an owner trusted keyring Mimi Zohar
2014-06-09 12:13   ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-09 12:51     ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-09 13:05       ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-09 13:48         ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-09 13:58           ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-09 14:06             ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-09 16:33               ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-10  8:48                 ` [PATCH 0/4] KEYS: validate key trust with owner and builtin keys only Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10  8:48                   ` [PATCH 1/4] KEYS: define an owner trusted keyring Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 12:24                     ` Josh Boyer
2014-06-10 12:41                       ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 13:07                       ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-10  8:48                   ` [PATCH 2/4] KEYS: fix couple of things Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10  8:48                   ` [PATCH 3/4] KEYS: validate key trust only with selected owner key Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-12 16:03                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-06-12 16:55                       ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-12 17:00                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-06-12 17:17                           ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-12 17:23                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-06-12 17:23                       ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-12 17:32                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-06-12 17:37                           ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-12 18:36                           ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-12 19:01                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-06-12 19:04                               ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-12 19:05                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-06-12 19:15                                 ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10  8:48                   ` [PATCH 4/4] KEYS: validate key trust only with builtin keys Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 12:20                   ` Josh Boyer [this message]
2014-06-10 12:52                     ` [PATCH 0/4] KEYS: validate key trust with owner and builtin keys only Mimi Zohar
2014-06-10 13:21                       ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 13:29                         ` Josh Boyer
2014-06-10 14:53                           ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-10 12:58                     ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 15:08                       ` Matthew Garrett
2014-06-10 20:39                     ` Dmitry Kasatkin
     [not found]                     ` <CACE9dm9Ff6b3J=05QfcgBv-c_y=5qGNq1-ZSfo4smtj34i1e-A@mail.gmail.com>
2014-06-10 20:40                       ` Matthew Garrett
2014-06-10 21:00                         ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 21:17                           ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 21:25                             ` Matthew Garrett
2014-06-10 21:34                               ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 21:40                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2014-06-10 21:45                                   ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-11  1:24                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-11  2:22                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2014-06-11  3:08                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-11  3:23                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2014-06-11 12:30                                           ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-11 15:20                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2014-06-27 14:16                                         ` David Howells
2014-06-10 21:40                                 ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-10 12:45                   ` Mimi Zohar
2014-06-10 12:49                     ` Dmitry Kasatkin
2014-06-11 20:49                       ` Mimi Zohar

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