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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] percpu: add data dependency barrier in percpu accessors and operations
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:44:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140617204448.GQ31819@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1406171440050.22064@gentwo.org>

Hello, Christoph.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 02:42:48PM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > > I much prefer the model where the thing that -published- the pointer is
> > > responsible for memory ordering.  After all, if a task allocates some
> > > zeroed memory, uses it locally, then frees it, there is no ordering
> > > to worry about in the first place.  The memory allocator doing the
> > > initialization cannot tell how the memory is to be used, after all.
> >
> > Yeah, "publish" is a nice verb to put on it.  No objection.
> 
> Well that "publishing" of the structure that contains the per cpu offset
> is actually what most of the current code does. So we do not need any
> additional synchronization. Clarifying the responsibility for
> synchronization being with the code which does the alloc_percpu would be
> good.

Sure, we can declare that it follows the same rules as normal memory
allocations - that is, the zeroing belongs to the allocating cpu and
propagation is fully the responsbility of users including data dep
barrier when necessary.

It seems a lot more confusing to me than normal memory allocations
mostly because the ownership isn't immediately clear; however, it
could be that we just need to clarify.

I'll think more about it.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-17 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-12 13:56 [PATCH RFC] percpu: add data dependency barrier in percpu accessors and operations Tejun Heo
2014-06-12 15:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-12 15:52   ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-17 14:41     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-17 15:27       ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-17 15:56         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-17 16:00           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-17 16:05             ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-17 16:28               ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                 ` <CA+55aFxHr8JXwDR-4g4z1mkXvZRtY=OosYcUMPZRD2upfooS1w@mail.gmail.com>
2014-06-17 18:47                   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-17 18:55                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-17 19:39                       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-17 19:47                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-17 19:56                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-19 20:39                           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-17 16:57         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-17 18:56           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-17 19:42             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-17 20:44               ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2014-07-09  0:55         ` Rusty Russell
2014-07-14 11:39           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-14 15:22             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-15 10:11               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-15 14:06                 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-15 14:32                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-15 15:06                     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-15 15:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-07-15 16:12                         ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                           ` <CA+55aFxU166V5-vH4vmK9OBdTZKyede=71RjjbOVSN9Qh+Se+A@mail.gmail.com>
2014-07-15 17:45                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-15 17:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-16 14:40                         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-15 11:50             ` Rusty Russell
2014-06-17 19:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-17 19:40   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-19 20:42     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-19 20:46       ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-19 21:11         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-19 21:15           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-20 15:23             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-20 15:52               ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-19 20:51       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-20 15:29         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-20 15:50           ` Paul E. McKenney

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