From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> To: "Pali Rohár" <pali.rohar@gmail.com> Cc: Santosh Shilimkar <santosh.shilimkar@ti.com>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, Ivaylo Dimitrov <ivo.g.dimitrov.75@gmail.com>, Sebastian Reichel <sre@debian.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] ARM: /proc/cpuinfo: Use DT machine name when possible Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:59:08 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20140618195908.GJ32514@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw) In-Reply-To: <201406182109.59059@pali> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 09:09:58PM +0200, Pali Rohár wrote: > On Wednesday 18 June 2014 21:01:09 Russell King - ARM Linux > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 06:54:24PM +0200, Pali Rohár wrote: > > > Machine name from board description is some generic name on > > > DT kernel. DT provides machine name property which is > > > specific for board, so use it instead generic one when > > > possible. > > > > http://archive.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20130726.132850 > > .53d47576.en.html > > > > "If userspace wants to get at the DT information about a > > platform, we already have ways that can happen already - we > > export the DT stuff so that kexec's tools can get at it." > > Userspace application does not know that kernel using DT. And > also it does not want to get DT information. Only board/machine > name. So existing applications stop working after migration to > DT. And because legacy board boot code (without DT) is going to > be removed for ARM in near future this will permanently break > existing applications. We're already breaking the userspace API through moving to DT, because all the device names in /sys/devices are changing. Userspace is going to have to cope with change as we move towards DT. This is just another aspect of moving towards DT, and one which userspace is going to have to deal with. > And sometimes it is even not possible to fix userspace > application if is closed source - binary only. And why do we care about closed source? If we listened to this argument, then we wouldn't ever be able to change anything in procfs or sysfs. Change is inevitable. -- FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line: now at 9.7Mbps down 460kbps up... slowly improving, and getting towards what was expected from it.
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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux) To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org Subject: [PATCH] ARM: /proc/cpuinfo: Use DT machine name when possible Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:59:08 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20140618195908.GJ32514@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw) In-Reply-To: <201406182109.59059@pali> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 09:09:58PM +0200, Pali Roh?r wrote: > On Wednesday 18 June 2014 21:01:09 Russell King - ARM Linux > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 06:54:24PM +0200, Pali Roh?r wrote: > > > Machine name from board description is some generic name on > > > DT kernel. DT provides machine name property which is > > > specific for board, so use it instead generic one when > > > possible. > > > > http://archive.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20130726.132850 > > .53d47576.en.html > > > > "If userspace wants to get at the DT information about a > > platform, we already have ways that can happen already - we > > export the DT stuff so that kexec's tools can get at it." > > Userspace application does not know that kernel using DT. And > also it does not want to get DT information. Only board/machine > name. So existing applications stop working after migration to > DT. And because legacy board boot code (without DT) is going to > be removed for ARM in near future this will permanently break > existing applications. We're already breaking the userspace API through moving to DT, because all the device names in /sys/devices are changing. Userspace is going to have to cope with change as we move towards DT. This is just another aspect of moving towards DT, and one which userspace is going to have to deal with. > And sometimes it is even not possible to fix userspace > application if is closed source - binary only. And why do we care about closed source? If we listened to this argument, then we wouldn't ever be able to change anything in procfs or sysfs. Change is inevitable. -- FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line: now at 9.7Mbps down 460kbps up... slowly improving, and getting towards what was expected from it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-18 19:59 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 197+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2014-06-18 16:54 [PATCH] ARM: /proc/cpuinfo: Use DT machine name when possible Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 16:54 ` Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 19:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-06-18 19:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-06-18 19:09 ` Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 19:09 ` Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 19:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message] 2014-06-18 19:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-06-19 8:21 ` Pavel Machek 2014-06-19 8:21 ` Pavel Machek 2014-07-11 19:31 ` Pavel Machek 2014-07-11 19:31 ` Pavel Machek 2014-06-18 19:07 ` Rob Herring 2014-06-18 19:07 ` Rob Herring 2014-06-18 19:22 ` Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 19:22 ` Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 20:00 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-06-18 20:00 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-06-18 20:20 ` Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 20:20 ` Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 21:53 ` Fabio Estevam 2014-06-18 21:53 ` Fabio Estevam 2014-11-24 22:16 ` Pali Rohár 2014-11-24 22:16 ` Pali Rohár 2014-06-18 20:46 ` Rob Herring 2014-06-18 20:46 ` Rob Herring 2014-06-18 21:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-06-18 21:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-06-18 22:27 ` Rob Herring 2014-06-18 22:27 ` Rob Herring 2014-06-18 23:07 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-06-18 23:07 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2014-11-24 22:19 ` Pali Rohár 2014-11-24 22:19 ` Pali Rohár 2014-12-04 0:33 ` Rob Herring 2014-12-04 0:33 ` Rob Herring 2014-12-04 0:48 ` Pali Rohár 2014-12-04 0:48 ` Pali Rohár 2014-12-04 16:49 ` Rob Herring 2014-12-04 16:49 ` Rob Herring 2014-12-04 17:57 ` Pali Rohár 2014-12-04 17:57 ` Pali Rohár 2014-12-04 18:10 ` Rob Herring 2014-12-04 18:10 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-26 19:09 ` [PATCH] ARM: /proc/cpuinfo: DT: Add support for Revision Pali Rohár 2015-01-26 19:09 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-26 20:22 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-26 20:22 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-30 14:14 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-30 14:14 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-30 21:03 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-30 21:03 ` Rob Herring 2015-02-27 15:45 ` Pali Rohár 2015-02-27 15:45 ` Pali Rohár 2015-02-27 15:55 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Pali Rohár 2015-02-27 15:55 ` Pali Rohár 2015-02-27 15:55 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] arm: devtree: Set system_rev from DT revision Pali Rohár 2015-02-27 15:55 ` Pali Rohár 2015-02-27 15:55 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] arm: boot: convert ATAG_REVISION to DT revision field Pali Rohár 2015-02-27 15:55 ` Pali Rohár 2015-03-02 11:28 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] ARM: /proc/cpuinfo: DT: Add support for Revision Pavel Machek 2015-03-02 11:28 ` Pavel Machek 2015-03-16 15:44 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-03-16 15:44 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-03-16 16:14 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-03-16 16:14 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-03-16 16:43 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-03-16 16:43 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-03-16 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-03-16 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-03-16 18:10 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-03-16 18:10 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-03-16 19:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-03-16 19:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-03-16 20:54 ` Pali Rohár 2015-03-16 20:54 ` Pali Rohár 2015-03-16 20:59 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-03-16 20:59 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-01-26 22:34 ` [PATCH] " Andreas Färber 2015-01-26 22:34 ` Andreas Färber 2015-02-27 15:56 ` Pali Rohár 2015-02-27 15:56 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-26 19:16 ` [PATCH] ARM: /proc/atags: Export also for DT Pali Rohár 2015-01-26 19:16 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-26 20:33 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-26 20:33 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-27 13:21 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-27 13:21 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-27 14:16 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-27 14:16 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-27 14:24 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-27 14:24 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-27 14:32 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-27 14:32 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-27 17:48 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-27 17:48 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-27 20:03 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-27 20:03 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-27 21:09 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-27 21:09 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-27 21:34 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-27 21:34 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-27 21:58 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-27 21:58 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-27 22:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-27 22:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-28 2:07 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-28 2:07 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-28 6:21 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 2015-01-28 6:21 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 2015-01-28 7:19 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 7:19 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 8:06 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 2015-01-28 8:06 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 2015-01-28 8:25 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 8:25 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 7:18 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 7:18 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 13:38 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 13:38 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-27 23:10 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-27 23:10 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 0:50 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-01-28 0:50 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-01-28 13:58 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 13:58 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 14:33 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-28 15:39 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-01-28 15:39 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-01-28 15:47 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 15:47 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 15:48 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-01-28 15:48 ` Tony Lindgren 2015-01-28 16:31 ` Jason Cooper 2015-01-28 16:31 ` Jason Cooper 2015-01-28 15:57 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-28 15:57 ` Rob Herring 2015-01-28 16:13 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-28 16:13 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-28 16:19 ` Will Deacon 2015-01-28 16:19 ` Will Deacon 2015-01-28 17:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-28 17:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-28 17:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-28 17:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-28 17:18 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 17:18 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 18:00 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 2015-01-28 18:00 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 2015-01-28 19:33 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 19:33 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-28 18:03 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 18:03 ` Pavel Machek 2015-01-28 19:27 ` Arnd Bergmann 2015-01-28 19:27 ` Arnd Bergmann 2015-01-28 14:46 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 2015-01-28 14:46 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 2015-01-27 19:40 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-27 19:40 ` Nicolas Pitre 2015-01-26 20:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-26 20:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2015-01-26 20:44 ` Pali Rohár 2015-01-26 20:44 ` Pali Rohár 2014-12-04 19:00 ` [PATCH] ARM: /proc/cpuinfo: Use DT machine name when possible Pali Rohár 2014-12-04 19:00 ` Pali Rohár 2014-12-04 10:59 ` Russell King - 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