[questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor

[questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor

[Zhang Haoyu]

Hi, Vadim
I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
Any update and other references, please?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu

[Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor

[Zhang Haoyu]

Hi, Vadim
I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
Any update and other references, please?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor

[Vadim Rozenfeld]

On Mon, 2014-06-30 at 09:39 +0800, Zhang Haoyu wrote:
> Hi, Vadim
> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
> Any update and other references, please?
> 
> Thanks,
> Zhang Haoyu
> 
> 

Unfortunately, not too much.
>From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by 
MST and reference time counter.

Best regards,
Vadim.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor

[Jidong Xiao]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Vadim Rozenfeld <vrozenfe@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-06-30 at 09:39 +0800, Zhang Haoyu wrote:
>> Hi, Vadim
>> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>,
>> Any update and other references, please?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Zhang Haoyu
>>
>>
>
> Unfortunately, not too much.
> From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by
> MST and reference time counter.
>
> Best regards,
> Vadim.
>
It looks like that Mircosoft has defined a large number of synthetic
registers in their Hyper-v spec, so ultimately KVM should virtualize
most of these registers, so as to support the Mircosoft Enlightment,
right?

-Jidong

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor

[Vadim Rozenfeld]

On Mon, 2014-06-30 at 06:19 -0400, Jidong Xiao wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Vadim Rozenfeld <vrozenfe@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2014-06-30 at 09:39 +0800, Zhang Haoyu wrote:
> >> Hi, Vadim
> >> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>,
> >> Any update and other references, please?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Zhang Haoyu
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Unfortunately, not too much.
> > From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by
> > MST and reference time counter.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Vadim.
> >
> It looks like that Mircosoft has defined a large number of synthetic
> registers in their Hyper-v spec, so ultimately KVM should virtualize
> most of these registers, so as to support the Mircosoft Enlightment,
> right?
> 
> -Jidong

Yes, but you don't have to support all the Hyper-V features at once. 
Hypervisor declares supported feature by specifying appropriate flags
in Feature identification (0x40000003) and Implementation
recommendations (0x40000004)CPUID leaves.

Best regards,
Vadim.

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Re: Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Zhang Haoyu]

>> Hi, Vadim
>> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
>> Any update and other references, please?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Zhang Haoyu
>> 
>> 
>
>Unfortunately, not too much.
>From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by 
>MST and reference time counter.
>
How to get the source of windows pv-eoi?
And what is "reference time counter", could you provide some references or code, please?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu

>Best regards,
>Vadim.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Zhang Haoyu]

>> Hi, Vadim
>> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
>> Any update and other references, please?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Zhang Haoyu
>> 
>> 
>
>Unfortunately, not too much.
>From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by 
>MST and reference time counter.
>
How to get the source of windows pv-eoi?
And what is "reference time counter", could you provide some references or code, please?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu

>Best regards,
>Vadim.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as a Microsoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Vadim Rozenfeld]

On Mon, 2014-06-30 at 19:45 +0800, Zhang Haoyu wrote:
> >> Hi, Vadim
> >> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
> >> Any update and other references, please?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Zhang Haoyu
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >Unfortunately, not too much.
> >From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by 
> >MST and reference time counter.
> >
> How to get the source of windows pv-eoi?
I'll be referencing to git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git

for lazy eoi please take a look at commit:
b63cf42fd1d8c18fab71222321aaf356f63089c9

> And what is "reference time counter", could you provide some references or code, please?
Take a look at commit:
e984097b553ed2d6551c805223e4057421370f00

I also suggest reading Hypervisor Functional Specification 3.0a provided
by Microsoft and available for downloading
from  http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=39289

Best regards,
Vadim.

> 
> Thanks,
> Zhang Haoyu
> 
> >Best regards,
> >Vadim.
> 
> 

Re: [questions] about KVM as aMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Zhang Haoyu]

Hi, Vadim

I start a vm(windows server 2008 64bit) with below qemu command, get stuck with black screen during boot stage, 
no error report by qemu and kvm hypervisor, but if I remove the item "hv_vapic", then start and run the VM successfully.

/var/run/qemu-server/5195516385344.pid -daemonize -name win2008_iotest -smp sockets=1,cores=1 -cpu core2duo,hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff,hv_relaxed,hv_vapic -nodefaults -vga cirrus -no-hpet -k en-us -boot menu=on,splash-time=8000 -m 2048 -usb -drive if=none,id=drive-ide0,media=cdrom,aio=native,forecast=disable -device ide-cd,bus=ide.0,unit=0,drive=drive-ide0,id=ide0,bootindex=200 -drive file=/sf/data/3600605b006c126da1b0cde571ba48d0d_00e0ed2d202e/images/host-00e0ed2d202e/win2008_iotest.vm/vm-disk-1.qcow2,if=none,id=drive-virtio1,cache=writethrough,aio=native,forecast=disable -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=drive-virtio1,id=virtio1,bus=pci.0,addr=0xb -drive file=/sf/data/local/images/host-00e0ed2d202e/win2008_iotest.vm/vm-disk-1.qcow2,if=none,id=drive-virtio2,cache=writethrough,aio=native,forecast=d
 isable -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=drive-virtio2,id=virtio2,bus=pci.0,addr=0xc,bootindex=101 -netdev type=tap,id=net0,ifname=519551638534400,script=/sf/etc/kvm/vtp-bridge,vhost=on,vhostforc
 e=on -device virtio-net-pci,mac=FE:FC:FE:58:E0:81,netdev=net0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x12,id=net0,bootindex=300 -rtc driftfix=slew,clock=rt,base=localtime -global kvm-pit.lost_tick_policy=discard -global PIIX4_PM.disable_s3=1 -global PIIX4_PM.disable_s4=1 -post win2008_iotest -enable-kvm -L /boot/pc-bios

Seen similar problem before?
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu

>> >> Hi, Vadim
>> >> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
>> >> Any update and other references, please?
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Zhang Haoyu
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Unfortunately, not too much.
>> >From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by 
>> >MST and reference time counter.
>> >
>> How to get the source of windows pv-eoi?
>I'll be referencing to git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git
>
>for lazy eoi please take a look at commit:
>b63cf42fd1d8c18fab71222321aaf356f63089c9
>
>> And what is "reference time counter", could you provide some references or code, please?
>Take a look at commit:
>e984097b553ed2d6551c805223e4057421370f00
>
>I also suggest reading Hypervisor Functional Specification 3.0a provided
>by Microsoft and available for downloading
>from  http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=39289
>
>Best regards,
>Vadim.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as aMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Zhang Haoyu]

Hi, Vadim

I start a vm(windows server 2008 64bit) with below qemu command, get stuck with black screen during boot stage, 
no error report by qemu and kvm hypervisor, but if I remove the item "hv_vapic", then start and run the VM successfully.

/var/run/qemu-server/5195516385344.pid -daemonize -name win2008_iotest -smp sockets=1,cores=1 -cpu core2duo,hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff,hv_relaxed,hv_vapic -nodefaults -vga cirrus -no-hpet -k en-us -boot menu=on,splash-time=8000 -m 2048 -usb -drive if=none,id=drive-ide0,media=cdrom,aio=native,forecast=disable -device ide-cd,bus=ide.0,unit=0,drive=drive-ide0,id=ide0,bootindex=200 -drive file=/sf/data/3600605b006c126da1b0cde571ba48d0d_00e0ed2d202e/images/host-00e0ed2d202e/win2008_iotest.vm/vm-disk-1.qcow2,if=none,id=drive-virtio1,cache=writethrough,aio=native,forecast=disable -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=drive-virtio1,id=virtio1,bus=pci.0,addr=0xb -drive file=/sf/data/local/images/host-00e0ed2d202e/win2008_iotest.vm/vm-disk-1.qcow2,if=none,id=drive-virtio2,cache=writethrough,aio=native,forecast=disable -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=drive-virtio2,id=virtio2,bus=pci.0,addr=0xc,bootindex=101 -netdev type=tap,id=net0,ifname=519551638534400,script=/sf/etc/kvm/vtp-bridge,vhost=on,vhostforc
 e=on -device virtio-net-pci,mac=FE:FC:FE:58:E0:81,netdev=net0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x12,id=net0,bootindex=300 -rtc driftfix=slew,clock=rt,base=localtime -global kvm-pit.lost_tick_policy=discard -global PIIX4_PM.disable_s3=1 -global PIIX4_PM.disable_s4=1 -post win2008_iotest -enable-kvm -L /boot/pc-bios

Seen similar problem before?
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu

>> >> Hi, Vadim
>> >> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
>> >> Any update and other references, please?
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Zhang Haoyu
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Unfortunately, not too much.
>> >From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by 
>> >MST and reference time counter.
>> >
>> How to get the source of windows pv-eoi?
>I'll be referencing to git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git
>
>for lazy eoi please take a look at commit:
>b63cf42fd1d8c18fab71222321aaf356f63089c9
>
>> And what is "reference time counter", could you provide some references or code, please?
>Take a look at commit:
>e984097b553ed2d6551c805223e4057421370f00
>
>I also suggest reading Hypervisor Functional Specification 3.0a provided
>by Microsoft and available for downloading
>from  http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=39289
>
>Best regards,
>Vadim.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as aMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Vadim Rozenfeld]

Hi Zhang,

No I haven't seen such problem
Which kernel version are you running?
Does it include the latest lazy eli changes?

Btw, hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff is a pretty huge value.

Best regards,
Vadim.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhang Haoyu" <zhanghy@sangfor.com>
To: "Vadim Rozenfeld" <vrozenfe@redhat.com>
Cc: "Jidong Xiao" <jidong.xiao@gmail.com>, "qemu-devel" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, "kvm" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 12:17:41 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as aMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

Hi, Vadim

I start a vm(windows server 2008 64bit) with below qemu command, get stuck with black screen during boot stage, 
no error report by qemu and kvm hypervisor, but if I remove the item "hv_vapic", then start and run the VM successfully.

/var/run/qemu-server/5195516385344.pid -daemonize -name win2008_iotest -smp sockets=1,cores=1 -cpu core2duo,hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff,hv_relaxed,hv_vapic -nodefaults -vga cirrus -no-hpet -k en-us -boot menu=on,splash-time=8000 -m 2048 -usb -drive if=none,id=drive-ide0,media=cdrom,aio=native,forecast=disable -device ide-cd,bus=ide.0,unit=0,drive=drive-ide0,id=ide0,bootindex=200 -drive file=/sf/data/3600605b006c126da1b0cde571ba48d0d_00e0ed2d202e/images/host-00e0ed2d202e/win2008_iotest.vm/vm-disk-1.qcow2,if=none,id=drive-virtio1,cache=writethrough,aio=native,forecast=disable -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=drive-virtio1,id=virtio1,bus=pci.0,addr=0xb -drive file=/sf/data/local/images/host-00e0ed2d202e/win2008_iotest.vm/vm-disk-1.qcow2,if=none,id=drive-virtio2,cache=writethrough,aio=native,forecast=d
 isable -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=drive-virtio2,id=virtio2,bus=pci.0,addr=0xc,bootindex=101 -netdev type=tap,id=net0,ifname=519551638534400,script=/sf/etc/kvm/vtp-bridge,vhost=on,vhostforc
 e=on -device virtio-net-pci,mac=FE:FC:FE:58:E0:81,netdev=net0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x12,id=net0,bootindex=300 -rtc driftfix=slew,clock=rt,base=localtime -global kvm-pit.lost_tick_policy=discard -global PIIX4_PM.disable_s3=1 -global PIIX4_PM.disable_s4=1 -post win2008_iotest -enable-kvm -L /boot/pc-bios

Seen similar problem before?
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu

>> >> Hi, Vadim
>> >> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
>> >> Any update and other references, please?
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Zhang Haoyu
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Unfortunately, not too much.
>> >From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by 
>> >MST and reference time counter.
>> >
>> How to get the source of windows pv-eoi?
>I'll be referencing to git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git
>
>for lazy eoi please take a look at commit:
>b63cf42fd1d8c18fab71222321aaf356f63089c9
>
>> And what is "reference time counter", could you provide some references or code, please?
>Take a look at commit:
>e984097b553ed2d6551c805223e4057421370f00
>
>I also suggest reading Hypervisor Functional Specification 3.0a provided
>by Microsoft and available for downloading
>from  http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=39289
>
>Best regards,
>Vadim.

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Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as aMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Vadim Rozenfeld]

Hi Zhang,

No I haven't seen such problem
Which kernel version are you running?
Does it include the latest lazy eli changes?

Btw, hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff is a pretty huge value.

Best regards,
Vadim.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhang Haoyu" <zhanghy@sangfor.com>
To: "Vadim Rozenfeld" <vrozenfe@redhat.com>
Cc: "Jidong Xiao" <jidong.xiao@gmail.com>, "qemu-devel" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, "kvm" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 12:17:41 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM as aMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

Hi, Vadim

I start a vm(windows server 2008 64bit) with below qemu command, get stuck with black screen during boot stage, 
no error report by qemu and kvm hypervisor, but if I remove the item "hv_vapic", then start and run the VM successfully.

/var/run/qemu-server/5195516385344.pid -daemonize -name win2008_iotest -smp sockets=1,cores=1 -cpu core2duo,hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff,hv_relaxed,hv_vapic -nodefaults -vga cirrus -no-hpet -k en-us -boot menu=on,splash-time=8000 -m 2048 -usb -drive if=none,id=drive-ide0,media=cdrom,aio=native,forecast=disable -device ide-cd,bus=ide.0,unit=0,drive=drive-ide0,id=ide0,bootindex=200 -drive file=/sf/data/3600605b006c126da1b0cde571ba48d0d_00e0ed2d202e/images/host-00e0ed2d202e/win2008_iotest.vm/vm-disk-1.qcow2,if=none,id=drive-virtio1,cache=writethrough,aio=native,forecast=disable -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=drive-virtio1,id=virtio1,bus=pci.0,addr=0xb -drive file=/sf/data/local/images/host-00e0ed2d202e/win2008_iotest.vm/vm-disk-1.qcow2,if=none,id=drive-virtio2,cache=writethrough,aio=native,forecast=disable -device virtio-blk-pci,drive=drive-virtio2,id=virtio2,bus=pci.0,addr=0xc,bootindex=101 -netdev type=tap,id=net0,ifname=519551638534400,script=/sf/etc/kvm/vtp-bridge,vhost=on,vhostforc
 e=on -device virtio-net-pci,mac=FE:FC:FE:58:E0:81,netdev=net0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x12,id=net0,bootindex=300 -rtc driftfix=slew,clock=rt,base=localtime -global kvm-pit.lost_tick_policy=discard -global PIIX4_PM.disable_s3=1 -global PIIX4_PM.disable_s4=1 -post win2008_iotest -enable-kvm -L /boot/pc-bios

Seen similar problem before?
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu

>> >> Hi, Vadim
>> >> I read the kvm-2012-forum paper < KVM as a Microsoft-compatible hypervisor>, 
>> >> Any update and other references, please?
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Zhang Haoyu
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Unfortunately, not too much.
>> >From the the most recent, we have lazy eoi implemented by 
>> >MST and reference time counter.
>> >
>> How to get the source of windows pv-eoi?
>I'll be referencing to git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git
>
>for lazy eoi please take a look at commit:
>b63cf42fd1d8c18fab71222321aaf356f63089c9
>
>> And what is "reference time counter", could you provide some references or code, please?
>Take a look at commit:
>e984097b553ed2d6551c805223e4057421370f00
>
>I also suggest reading Hypervisor Functional Specification 3.0a provided
>by Microsoft and available for downloading
>from  http://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=39289
>
>Best regards,
>Vadim.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM asaMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Zhang Haoyu]

>Hi Zhang,
>
>No I haven't seen such problem
>Which kernel version are you running?
Host kernel: RHEL7-RC1(linux-3.10.0).

>Does it include the latest lazy eli changes?
>
lazy eli or lazy eoi?
How to confirm whether lazy eli has been included?

>Btw, hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff is a pretty huge value.
>
which value do you advise to use?

Thanks,
Zhang Haoyu
>Best regards,
>Vadim.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVM asaMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Vadim Rozenfeld]

On Mon, 2014-08-04 at 14:29 +0800, Zhang Haoyu wrote:
> >Hi Zhang,
> >
> >No I haven't seen such problem
> >Which kernel version are you running?
> Host kernel: RHEL7-RC1(linux-3.10.0).
> 
> >Does it include the latest lazy eli changes?
> >
> lazy eli or lazy eoi?
EOI
> How to confirm whether lazy eli has been included?
> 
not in linux-3.10.0
> >Btw, hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff is a pretty huge value.
> >
> which value do you advise to use?
MS seems to be using 0xffff as a default.
best regards,
Vadim.
> 
> Thanks,
> Zhang Haoyu
> >Best regards,
> >Vadim.
> 
> 

Re: [Qemu-devel] [questions] about KVMasaMicrosoft-compatiblehypervisor

[Zhang Haoyu]

>> >Hi Zhang,
>> >
>> >No I haven't seen such problem
>> >Which kernel version are you running?
>> Host kernel: RHEL7-RC1(linux-3.10.0).
>> 
>> >Does it include the latest lazy eli changes?
>> >
>> lazy eli or lazy eoi?
>EOI
>> How to confirm whether lazy eli has been included?
>> 
>not in linux-3.10.0
So, do you mean hv_vapic need the support of lazy eoi?

>> >Btw, hv_spinlocks=0xfffffff is a pretty huge value.
>> >
>> which value do you advise to use?
>MS seems to be using 0xffff as a default.
>best regards,
>Vadim.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Zhang Haoyu
>> >Best regards,
>> >Vadim.