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From: Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
To: Ed White <edmund.h.white@intel.com>
Cc: keir@xen.org, ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com, ian.campbell@citrix.com,
	jbeulich@suse.com, xen-devel@lists.xen.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] Alternate p2m: support multiple copies of host p2m
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:15:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150115161519.GA57240@deinos.phlegethon.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1420838801-11704-1-git-send-email-edmund.h.white@intel.com>

Hello,

Thanks for sending this series - in particular, thank you for sending
it early in the release cycle!  I'll review some of the patches
individually but since I expect there will be some changes to come in
future versions I'm not going to go into too much detail.

I see there's been some discussion of how this would be useful for an
out-of-domain inspection tool, but could you talk some more about the
usefulness of the in-VM callers?  I'm not sure what advantage it
brings over a kernel playing the same tricks in normal pagetables --
after all an attacker in the kernel can make hypercalls and so get
around any p2m restrictions.


Looking at the code, the first thing that strikes me about it is that
you've tried to make a split between common code and VMX-specific
implementation details.  Thank you for that!  My only reservations
around that are that some of the naming of things in common code are
too vmx-specific.

I think it's probably OK to use 've', though I think that the term
'notify' might be better (which you use in the hypercall interface).
Using 'eptp' in common code is less good, though I think almost
everywhere in common code, you could just use 'p2m' instead.
Also, functions like 'find_by_eptp' that are only ever called
from vmx code don't need to be plumbed through common wrappers.
Also, I think you can probably s/altp2mhvm/altp2m/ throughout.


The second thing is how similar some of this is to nested p2m code,
making me wonder whether it could share more code with that.  It's not
as much duplication as I had feared, but e.g. altp2m_write_p2m_entry()
is _identical_ to nestedp2m_write_p2m_entry(), (making the
copyright claim at the top of the file quite dubious, BTW).


In order to work towards getting this series merged, I think we have
four things to consider:

- General design.  I've made some comments above and some of the other
  maintainers have replied separately.  Assuming that the case can be
  made for needing this in the hypervisor at all, I think the overall
  direction is probably a good one.

- Feature compatibilty/completeness.  You pointed out yourself that
  it doesn't work with nested HVM or migration.  I think I'd have to
  add mem_event/access/paging and PCI passthrough to the list of
  features that ought to still work.  I'm resigned to the idea that
  many new features don't work with shadow pagetables. :)

- Testing and sample code.  If we're to carry this feature in the
  tree, we'll need at least some code to make use of it; ideally
  some sort of test we can run to find regressions later.

- Issues of coding style and patch hygiene.  I don't think it's
  particularly useful to go into that in detail at this stage, but I
  did see some missing spaces in parentheses, e.g. for ( <-here-> ),
  and the patch series should be ordered so that the new feature is
  enabled in the last patch (in particular after 'fix log-dirty handling'!)

OK.  I have a few comments about the code itself; I'll reply to
individual patches with that.

Cheers,

Tim.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-15 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-09 21:26 [PATCH 00/11] Alternate p2m: support multiple copies of host p2m Ed White
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 01/11] VMX: VMFUNC and #VE definitions and detection Ed White
2015-01-12 13:06   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 18:50     ` Ed White
2015-01-14 14:38       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 02/11] VMX: implement suppress #VE Ed White
2015-01-12 16:43   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-12 17:45     ` Ed White
2015-01-13 18:36       ` Ed White
2015-01-15 16:25   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 18:46     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:22       ` Tim Deegan
2015-03-25 17:30       ` Ed White
2015-03-26 10:15         ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 03/11] x86/HVM: Hardware alternate p2m support detection Ed White
2015-01-12 17:08   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-12 17:46     ` Ed White
2015-01-15 16:32   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 04/11] x86/MM: Improve p2m type checks Ed White
2015-01-12 17:48   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 19:39     ` Ed White
2015-01-15 16:36   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 05/11] x86/altp2m: basic data structures and support routines Ed White
2015-01-13 11:28   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 19:49     ` Ed White
2015-03-25 20:59       ` Ed White
2015-03-26 10:48         ` Tim Deegan
2015-03-26 18:00           ` Ed White
2015-01-15 16:48   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 16:53     ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-15 18:49       ` Ed White
2015-01-16  7:37         ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 17:23         ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 06/11] VMX/altp2m: add code to support EPTP switching and #VE Ed White
2015-01-13 11:58   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-15 16:56   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 18:55     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:50       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16 17:57         ` Ed White
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 07/11] x86/altp2m: introduce p2m_ram_rw_ve type Ed White
2015-01-15 17:03   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 20:38     ` Ed White
2015-01-16  8:20       ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 17:14         ` Ed White
2015-01-19  8:49           ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-19 19:53             ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:52       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16 18:35         ` Ed White
2015-01-17  9:37           ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 08/11] x86/altp2m: add remaining support routines Ed White
2015-01-15 17:25   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 20:57     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 18:04       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 17:33   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 21:00     ` Ed White
2015-01-16  8:24       ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 17:17         ` Ed White
2015-01-19  8:52           ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 18:09       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 09/11] x86/altp2m: define and implement alternate p2m HVMOP types Ed White
2015-01-15 17:09   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 20:43     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:57       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 10/11] x86/altp2m: fix log-dirty handling Ed White
2015-01-15 17:20   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 20:49     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:59       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 11/11] x86/altp2m: alternate p2m memory events Ed White
2015-01-09 22:06 ` [PATCH 00/11] Alternate p2m: support multiple copies of host p2m Andrew Cooper
2015-01-09 22:21   ` Ed White
2015-01-09 22:41     ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-09 23:04       ` Ed White
2015-01-12 10:00         ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-12 17:36           ` Ed White
2015-01-13  8:56             ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-13 11:28               ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-13 17:42               ` Ed White
2015-01-12 12:17 ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-12 17:39   ` Ed White
2015-01-12 17:43     ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-12 17:50       ` Ed White
2015-01-12 18:00         ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-12 18:31           ` Ed White
2015-01-13 10:21             ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-13 18:25               ` Ed White
2015-01-13 11:16             ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-12 17:51       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 19:01 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 20:02   ` Ed White
2015-01-13 20:45     ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 21:30       ` Ed White
2015-01-14  7:04         ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-14 10:31           ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-14 11:09             ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-14 11:28               ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-14 17:35                 ` Ed White
2015-01-15  8:16                   ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-15 17:28                     ` Ed White
2015-01-15 17:45                       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 18:44                         ` Ed White
2015-03-04 23:06                           ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-03-04 23:41                             ` Ed White
2015-03-05 10:51                               ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-03-13 17:38                                 ` Ed White
2015-03-05 10:36                             ` Tim Deegan
2015-03-05 10:58                               ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-03-05 11:13                                 ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16  7:35                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 16:54                         ` Ed White
2015-01-15 10:39                   ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-15 17:31                     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 10:43                       ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-16 17:21                         ` Ed White
2015-03-05 13:45       ` Egger, Christoph
2015-01-14  7:01     ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-15 16:15 ` Tim Deegan [this message]
2015-01-15 18:23   ` Ed White
2015-01-16  8:12     ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 17:01       ` Ed White
2015-01-16 18:33     ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16 20:32       ` Ed White
2015-01-17  9:34         ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16 21:43       ` Ed White
2015-01-17  9:49         ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-19 19:35           ` Ed White
2015-01-17  9:31       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-17 15:01         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-19 12:17           ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-19 21:54             ` Ed White
2015-01-20  8:47               ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-20 18:43                 ` Ed White
2015-01-22 15:42               ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-22 19:15                 ` Ed White
2015-03-25 17:41     ` Ed White
2015-03-26 10:40       ` Tim Deegan

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