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From: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>
Cc: Havoc Pennington <hp@pobox.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 18:15:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150416181518.2cb4d6b5@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <552FB5B4.9060700@zonque.org>

> And so does kdbus. By default, strict ordering is enforced when messages
> are received, but optionally, that action may be constrained to messages
> of a minimal priority. This allows for use cases where timing critical
> data is interleaved with control data on the same connection. That's
> described in kdbus.message(7), and is also covered by test cases.

More to the point "and so do POSIX message queues". They are also a
standard, a cross OS feature and relatively cleanly implemented in
kernel, ditto some classes of socket behaviour are similar and SYS5 IPC
(of which we shall not speak further I hope  8) ). I'm not saying that
they solve the problem but they might avoid some of the complexities.

Filtering is generalizable in Linux with a few lines of code, so rather
than hardcoding dbus semantics EBPF can express pretty much any
uni/multi/broadcast filtering policy rule for dbus or anything else.

I agree entirely with Havoc that the ease of use wants to be preserved
and semantics at the top of the dbus library shoudn't change. Dbus does
have the problem of being too easy to use badly, but that's hard to fix
technically 8)

Alan



  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-16 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 360+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-13 19:03 [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-13 19:42   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:49     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 19:54       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:57         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:03           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:08             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:22     ` Al Viro
2015-04-13 20:37       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  1:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15  6:54         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  7:31           ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 14:48             ` Michal Schmidt
2015-04-15 15:34               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 16:42               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-17 16:53               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15  8:48           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:00             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:20               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:21                 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  9:27                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:30                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:49                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:53                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:44                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:40                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 13:03                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:41                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 16:40                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:48                             ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:33                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:06                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-16  8:43                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:20                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:41                               ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 17:55                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 21:55                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:12                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 19:04                         ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  9:28                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 11:25             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 13:20               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 15:46                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 16:35                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:06                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:31                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:04                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 21:56                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 22:11                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:18                           ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:28                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:48                               ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:54                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 23:27                                   ` Al Viro
2015-04-16  0:47                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16  1:04                                       ` Al Viro
2015-04-16  5:53                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:56                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 10:31                           ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 12:02                             ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 12:15                               ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-16 12:43                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-21 16:36                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-21 19:38                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2015-04-21 19:55                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15  8:18         ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  8:32           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:52             ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  9:02               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:28                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15 11:52                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:29         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14  0:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-14  0:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:55     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 21:06       ` Issues with capability bits and meta-data in kdbus Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-22  1:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-22  1:54           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22  2:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-22  3:19               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 13:46                 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-22 11:40               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-22 13:07                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-22 14:05                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-22 13:27                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 14:35                   ` Michele Curti
2015-04-22 20:02                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 21:48                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23  5:35                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:32                         ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 14:39                           ` Michele Curti
2015-04-24 15:02                             ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 15:14                               ` Michele Curti
2015-04-24 14:41                           ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-24 15:04                             ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 17:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-24 18:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23  8:38                       ` Michele Curti
2015-04-22 10:45           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-22 11:41           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-22  8:58   ` [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 19:14     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 20:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 21:22         ` David Herrmann
2015-04-23 21:33           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24 14:02             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-23 21:41           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24  5:02             ` Steven Noonan
2015-04-24  9:04               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 10:28                 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24 10:50                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 11:26                     ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24  6:36         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  6:45           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  7:27             ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-24  8:35             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-13 20:45   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 21:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:50       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 18:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 19:23           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:24             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-14 19:32               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:40                 ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:48                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:53                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  8:44                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:54                         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  9:09                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:36                             ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 13:13                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:47                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15  9:35                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:45                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 20:11                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-14 22:39                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  8:38                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 10:37                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 11:49                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:03                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:41                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 14:06                               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:27                                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 12:55                           ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 17:33                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:11                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:35             ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:43               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:59                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15 18:04                   ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 22:22                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 16:02                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 17:31                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 20:55                         ` Al Viro
2015-04-18 11:44                           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 16:37                     ` Robert Schwebel
2015-04-17 13:45                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 16:54                   ` Diego Viola
2015-04-21 17:06                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 17:25                       ` Diego Viola
2015-04-14 20:14             ` John Stoffel
2015-04-14 21:51               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-14 22:05                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  6:56                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  8:37                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:12                     ` James Bottomley
2015-04-16 12:13                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-17 19:27                         ` James Bottomley
2015-04-17 20:27                           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 21:45                             ` Alex Elsayed
2015-04-20 18:01                             ` James Bottomley
2015-04-21  8:09                               ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-21 18:25                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15  8:35               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:00           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:09             ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 12:18               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:30                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:27               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 22:33         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  8:56           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 11:06             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:00               ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 16:44                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 18:16                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:40                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 20:22                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 20:41                     ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 21:07                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-16 18:03                       ` Djalal Harouni
2015-04-15 21:58                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 13:13                     ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 14:34                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 15:01                         ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 17:04                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-17  9:19                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-17 18:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-20 12:43                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-20 20:03                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 19:01                       ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 13:23                         ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-17 14:54                           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 22:08                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 13:14                     ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 17:15                       ` One Thousand Gnomes [this message]
2015-04-23 13:05 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 13:06   ` [PATCH] kdbus: pool: use __vfs_read() Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 14:17   ` [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 16:36   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 16:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:16       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 17:34         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:42         ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-23 19:30           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  2:08             ` Karol Lewandowski
2015-04-29 21:16               ` Paul Moore
2015-04-23 17:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:56             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 19:22               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 19:33                 ` Greg KH
2015-04-23 20:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 20:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-24 13:50         ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 14:19           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:34             ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 19:25               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27  8:57                 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 17:18                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27 22:29                   ` David Lang
2015-04-28 10:53                     ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 21:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 21:40             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 22:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 22:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-28 13:44                   ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 14:48                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 17:18                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-28 20:25                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 23:12                           ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29  0:45                             ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-29 11:33                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 12:47                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:33                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 13:38                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:46                                   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:01                                     ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:04                                       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:11                                         ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:18                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:53                                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:58                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:03                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-29 15:21                                                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-30  9:05                                                   ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30  9:12                                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 10:19                                                       ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 10:40                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:16                                                           ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:23                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:40                                                               ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:45                                                                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 14:52                                                                   ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 15:05                                                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-07-03  9:13                                                                     ` cee1
2015-04-29 16:25                                                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 14:46                                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 14:51                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:07                                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:17                                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 15:22                                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:41                                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 18:28                                                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:26                                   ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 17:39                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-29 19:10                                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 19:28                                       ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:49                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-30  0:05                                       ` David Lang
2015-04-30  0:15                                         ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-30  0:18                                           ` David Lang
2015-04-30  1:20                                             ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-29 13:35                               ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:18                                 ` Simon McVittie
2015-04-29 17:48                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:27                               ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:36                                 ` David Lang
2015-04-29 18:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 19:30                                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 19:42                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:15                                     ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:24                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:43                                         ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:51                                           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-30  1:42                                             ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:34                                   ` John Stoffel
2015-04-30 20:14                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-01 15:49                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-28 17:19                       ` David Lang
2015-04-28 19:19                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 20:34                           ` David Lang
2015-04-28 20:42                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-22 17:33                   ` Jindrich Makovicka
2015-06-22 20:23                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-22 21:24                   ` Jindřich Makovička
2015-07-07 21:40                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-28 12:49                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 10:39             ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-23 18:33   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-23 19:01     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 18:57   ` Kdbus needs meaningful review (was: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1) Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-15 18:18 [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 18:37   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 22:16   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:37 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 22:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 18:20 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-20 20:43   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-20 20:56     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-20 21:16       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-20 21:46         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-20 22:06           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-21  7:38             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-21  9:35             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-21 10:17               ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 12:20                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 14:01                   ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 14:27                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 14:47                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 18:11                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 14:57                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-22 19:36                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 12:46                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-27 20:11                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 17:24                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 10:51               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 11:03                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-21 12:56                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 10:31             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 10:53               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-21 11:09                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 11:39                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-21 13:18               ` Olivier Galibert
2015-04-21 13:48                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 15:53                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-21 18:18               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-21  8:18           ` Richard Cochran
2015-04-21  9:07         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-21 13:37           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22  1:51             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2015-04-22  3:11               ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 13:09             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-20 20:26 George Spelvin
2015-04-21 12:08 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn

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