From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by mail.openembedded.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED4360043 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 07:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicja10 with SMTP id ja10so100449791wic.1 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 00:54:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=nOP+8xJ3qazOrVBFWxdj1KkJxx5qH6mWz2zPu84gsAg=; b=L9us4juHYVqKQ/RT0dx2dWr5xln8o9MWI3+T+AHrcChqzMiFUhY9miRXn7fPhw4SUK /6HgkSBYT/sekXoaNr2Qse5iTrM1BaPjuFWgtFW4zqrowuzWIUbFAegSRwSHCmTwsBQp dCgr/fChe/S3Y4hA+gcWcks7HBszSePtu0LC50jICYaId7VV0zJmrmJ14c+H4O9H+lZu HpoYuWuBIp5NMNHX3lsx0spRdXkakUXW7Ko23lJKD/sZv1g3053xTjROWZ1PH4UfUfgD u9mGV5tKrG83vdOENa1SPHsVlHIKKZhTpu9ChvO8YZueuFP8/G+DRoJSmyxSNRHOFnpR QXiQ== X-Received: by 10.180.73.13 with SMTP id h13mr40150164wiv.79.1439884446467; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 00:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip-86-49-34-37.net.upcbroadband.cz. [86.49.34.37]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c7sm25280215wjb.19.2015.08.18.00.54.05 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Aug 2015 00:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Jansa X-Google-Original-From: Martin Jansa Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 09:54:09 +0200 To: Alexander Kanavin Message-ID: <20150818075409.GA2458@jama> References: <1436601450.3310.27.camel@linuxfoundation.org> <55BA134F.9010908@linux.intel.com> <55BB5F06.4010901@linux.intel.com> <55C477AE.8030308@balister.org> <55C4A405.6050209@linux.intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55C4A405.6050209@linux.intel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: OE Core mailing list Subject: Re: meta-gplv2? [Was Re: parted_1.8.6.bb: add parted that not GPLv3] X-BeenThere: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 07:54:08 -0000 X-Groupsio-MsgNum: 69551 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn" Content-Disposition: inline --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 03:26:45PM +0300, Alexander Kanavin wrote: > On 08/07/2015 12:17 PM, Philip Balister wrote: >=20 > > Thanks Khem. I also do not agree that we lack a self-sustaining > > community. OpenEmbedded has functioned independently for far longer than > > the Yocto Project has existed. >=20 > By 'self-sustaining' I mean 'being able to continuously produce quality= =20 > work'. Looking at layers in meta-openembedded, not all of them are of=20 > high quality. Meta-gnome in particular is badly out of date, because no= =20 > one wants to maintain it properly. If oe-core starts taking a lot more=20 > volunteer contributions, and the same thing happens (a volunteer=20 > contributes a large set of recipes, then disappears), what is supposed=20 > to happen then? Having latest version of all recipes is good thing, but it's not the best quality indicator. In meta-oe and oe-classic package upgrades were usually done by people who were actively using those recipes and only when the new version introduced something they really needed or wanted. Still it was causing new issues, because nobody can test every combination how something can be used. Now we see a lot of upgrades in oe-core which are done by people just because "package upgrade report" says it's possible and the upgrade is tested mostly by autobuilder (which doesn't exersize any "extra" layers and runtime-test coverage is very low) - so in the end many of these "good to have" upgrades are breaking some other components which aren't upgraded so often or breaking/changing runtime behavior and only couple months later someone who is actually using them will report that. Regards, --=20 Martin 'JaMa' Jansa jabber: Martin.Jansa@gmail.com --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlXS5KAACgkQN1Ujt2V2gBzdQQCgtwY4KU4x8fl1BTt7ONJTeHEt HvAAnjl685o6hRgv0v05VT/Bu5ls2tS1 =bhpO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn--