From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FE47FAD for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 23:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com (mail-pa0-f48.google.com [209.85.220.48]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 394D9176 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 23:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pacgr6 with SMTP id gr6so3425232pac.3 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:03:16 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: James Bottomley Message-ID: <20150827160316.72d9109f@urahara> In-Reply-To: <1440715792.2196.149.camel@HansenPartnership.com> References: <1440446941.2201.32.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20150824235409.GD13446@thunk.org> <20150827150849.36404678@urahara> <1440715792.2196.149.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Emily Ratliff Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] grsecurity and kernel hardening List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:49:52 -0700 James Bottomley wrote: > Getting a vendor to see that they have sound business reasons for giving > back is a specialised skill usually practised over long time period and > only successfully by a few people in the industry. It doesn't happen > automatically and certainly not because you have a dummy spit over > someone taking something you advertised as "for free" and having the > temerity to expect not to have to pay you. > > Perhaps it would be useful to run a "how to get your company to regard > open source as an investment" type training course, but it's probable > that the kernel summit isn't the best venue. Agreed, plus the KS is not necessarily going to be the right venue for this. Kind of hard to preach to the converted.