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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: Remove misleading examples of the barriers in wake_*()
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:46:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150921174611.GA28059@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150918064956.GQ3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 09/18, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
> the text is correct, right?

Yes, it looks good to me and helpful.

But damn. I forgot why exactly try_to_wake_up() needs rmb() after
->on_cpu check... It looks reasonable in any case, but I do not
see any strong reason immediately.

Say,

	p->sched_contributes_to_load = !!task_contributes_to_load(p);
	p->state = TASK_WAKING;

we can actually do this before "while (p->on_cpu)", afaics. However
we must not do this before the previous p->on_rq check.

So perhaps this rmb() helps to ensure task_contributes_to_load() can't
happen before p->on_rq check...

As for "p->state = TASK_WAKING" we have the control dependency in both
cases. But the modern fashion suggests to use _CTRL(). Although cpu_relax()
should imply barrier(), but afaik this is not documented.

In short, I got lost ;) Now I don't even understand why we do not need
another rmb() between p->on_rq and p->on_cpu. Suppose a thread T does

	set_current_state(...);
	schedule();

it can be preempted in between, after that we have "on_rq && !on_cpu".
Then it gets CPU again and calls schedule() which clears on_rq.

What guarantees that if ttwu() sees on_rq == 0 cleared by schedule()
then it can _not_ still see the old value of on_cpu == 0?

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-21 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-08  1:14 [PATCH] Documentation: Remove misleading examples of the barriers in wake_*() Boqun Feng
2015-09-09 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-10  2:16   ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-10 17:55     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-11 16:59       ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-17 13:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-17 17:01         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18  6:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-21 17:46             ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2015-10-06 16:04               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-06 16:24                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-06 16:35                   ` Will Deacon
2015-10-06 19:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 11:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 15:40                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-24 13:21         ` Boqun Feng
2015-10-06 16:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-11 15:26             ` Boqun Feng
2015-10-12  0:40               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-12  9:06                 ` Boqun Feng
2015-10-12 11:54                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-12 13:09                     ` Boqun Feng
2015-10-12 16:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra

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