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From: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Cc: Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Checksum offload queries
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 02:56:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151209015602.GB19097@pox.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALx6S36aMvroE0mWz9+9EU+newrfkUqqFO+6T5YZVh_9xrMJLg@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/08/15 at 09:04am, Tom Herbert wrote:
> There are other reasons why CHECKSUM_COMPLETE is preferable:
> 
> - CHECKSUM_COMPLETE  is more robust. We have no way to validate that
> the device is actually correct in CHECKSUM_UNNECESSARY. For instance,
> how do we know that there isn't some failure in the device where
> everything is being marked as good even if it's not. With
> CHECKSUM_COMPLETE it is the host that actually makes the decision of
> whether the checksum is correct it is highly unlikely that failing
> checksum calculation on the device won't be detected. HW failures and
> bugs are real concern.
> -  CHECKSUM_UNNECESSARY does not report bad checksums. There is a
> csum_bad flag in the sk_buff that could be set if the driver detects a
> bad checksum in the packet, but no drivers seem to be setting that
> currently. So for any packets with bad checksums the stack will need
> to compute the checksum itself, so this potentially becomes the basis
> of a DDOS attack. CHECKSUM_COMPLETE does not have this problem, we get
> the checksum of the packet rather the checksum is correct or not.

If I understood Edward correctly, his proposal would be for the
card to provide both, the csum as for CHECKSUM_COMPLETE plus the
validation yes/no hint. It would be up to the kernel to decide
whether to validate itself or trust the card.

I'm all in favour CHECKSUM_COMPLETE as the only way to go but 
we should be aware that it depends on the penetration of RCO in
hardware VTEPs.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-09  1:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-07 15:39 Checksum offload queries Edward Cree
2015-12-07 17:29 ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-07 17:52   ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-08 16:03   ` Edward Cree
2015-12-08 16:43     ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-08 18:03       ` Edward Cree
2015-12-08 17:09     ` David Miller
2015-12-08 17:24       ` Edward Cree
2015-12-08 17:28         ` David Miller
2015-12-07 19:38 ` David Miller
2015-12-08 14:42   ` Edward Cree
2015-12-08 17:04     ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-09  1:56       ` Thomas Graf [this message]
2015-12-09 16:08         ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-09 22:29           ` Thomas Graf
2015-12-09 22:51             ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-09 23:13               ` Thomas Graf
2015-12-08 17:06     ` David Miller
2015-12-09 12:14       ` Edward Cree
2015-12-09 16:01         ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-09 17:28           ` Edward Cree
2015-12-09 17:31             ` David Laight
2015-12-09 18:00             ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-09 22:21               ` Thomas Graf
2015-12-09 22:42                 ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-09 22:44                   ` Thomas Graf
2015-12-10 15:49               ` Edward Cree
2015-12-10 16:26                 ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-10 20:28                   ` Edward Cree
2015-12-10 21:02                     ` Rustad, Mark D
2015-12-14 15:11                     ` [RFC PATCH net-next 0/2] Local checksum offload for VXLAN Edward Cree
2015-12-14 15:13                       ` [PATCH 1/2] net: udp: local checksum offload for encapsulation Edward Cree
2015-12-14 17:16                         ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-15 18:07                           ` Edward Cree
2015-12-14 15:13                       ` [PATCH 2/2] net: vxlan: enable local checksum offload on HW_CSUM devices Edward Cree
2015-12-11 23:50             ` Checksum offload queries Tom Herbert
2015-12-12 16:41               ` Sowmini Varadhan
2015-12-12 17:24                 ` Tom Herbert

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