From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dmitry Torokhov Subject: Re: MOUSE_PS2_VMMOUSE and input/mice Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:38:08 -0800 Message-ID: <20160116193808.GG9203@dtor-ws> References: <20160115123928.d06e1fed.cand@gmx.com> <5698D343.3000606@vmware.com> <20160115132312.654ad5aa.cand@gmx.com> <56991418.1070701@vmware.com> <20160115175040.GA5664@dtor-ws> <20160116105735.5c659e05.cand@gmx.com> <20160116183008.GB9203@dtor-ws> <20160116211011.6aeff246.cand@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mail-pf0-f174.google.com ([209.85.192.174]:34982 "EHLO mail-pf0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752660AbcAPTiM (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:38:12 -0500 Received: by mail-pf0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 65so135227018pff.2 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:38:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160116211011.6aeff246.cand@gmx.com> Sender: linux-input-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-input@vger.kernel.org To: Lauri Kasanen Cc: Thomas Hellstrom , linux-input@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 09:10:11PM +0200, Lauri Kasanen wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 10:30:08 -0800 > Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > > > > > Although we will make vmmouse work with /dev/input/mice, could you > > > > please tell TinyCore that 90s are calling and they want their mouse > > > > technology back? And tell them to switch to switch to evdev X driver. > > > > > > TinyCore sends their regards, and tells they will consider evdev when > > > Xorg + evdev + paraphelia can total less than 650kb. > > > > I do not think you are doing your users any favors by limiting them to > > PS/2 emulation. For desktops, unless they only use basic mice mousedev > > emulation does not work well for neither touchpads, nor tablets, nor > > touchscreens. And for appliances you do not need mouse at all. Maybe if > > you targeting kiosks with limited UI it will work for a bit. I wonder > > how long Xorg will be keeping lights on for mouse_drv. > > > > I am tempted to deprecate mousedev and maybe joydev as well. They were > > supposed to fill the gap between then current applications and kernel, > > but that was 10+ years ago. > > Hi, > > It's a choice we leave up to the users. The majority uses normal > desktops with normal mice, touch screens and tablets tend to be a > rarity in our userbase. So we can serve the majority without the bloat > of Xorg, but those who need it can install it. So people who do not need Xorg do not need the mouse either, right? I am still confused who your target user base is. > > That's why I was asking for a runtime way - the default should work, > but so should VMWare's nicer mouse integration when Xorg is installed. > That concern was resolved with the statement the older support is not > being considered for removal. The original issue will be solved by > disabling VMMOUSE in our kernel. I guess you can disable this (bit then you need to carry Xorg vmmouse driver), but then you'll still have to pay the piper once Xorg drops root support and X vmmouse driver will not be able to access the hypervisor port. Thanks. -- Dmitry