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From: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Stanislav Kinsburskiy <skinsbursky@virtuozzo.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	keescook@chromium.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mguzik@redhat.com, bsegall@google.com, john.stultz@linaro.org,
	oleg@redhat.com, matthltc@us.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	luto@amacapital.net, vbabka@suse.cz, xemul@virtuozzo.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] prctl: remove one-shot limitation for changing exe link
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:42:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160712214226.GF3661@uranus.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160712172933.GE3661@uranus.lan>

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 08:29:33PM +0300, Cyrill Gorcunov wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:52:09AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > >
> > > Persistent exe-link doesn't guarantee anything if you have rights to ptrace
> > > task and inject own code into (from security POV). So lets rip it out.
> > >
> > > Acked-by: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>
> > 
> > I believe the original concern was someone injecting a code into a
> > process and playing silly buggers with the exe link.  Someone who does
> > not have ptrace capability.
> 
> If you manage to inject code into a process, that's all, you're
> compromised, preventing changing exe-link several times wont help
> much I fear. Current limit -- one may change it once, Stas' patch
> simply removes this limitation. The ability to change it only _once_
> may be suitable for some kind of monitor daemon I guess but this
> monitor should detect any change in exe-link state and notify
> node's admin, otherwise it's simply useless.
> 
> > It is completely not ok to change this until someone goes back to the
> > original conversation and looks at the original threat model, and
> > refutes it.

Btw, if the persistency of exe link is _that_ important (in which I'm
really doubting) we always can use some of sysctl flag on host which
would control it [by default it might be turned off but for those
who really rely on exelink status, for some reason, the sysctl might
be set up and prevent any exelink modification].

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-12 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-12 15:30 [PATCH] prctl: remove one-shot limitation for changing exe link Stanislav Kinsburskiy
2016-07-12 16:42 ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-12 16:52   ` Stanislav Kinsburskiy
2016-07-12 17:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-12 16:48 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2016-07-12 16:52   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-12 17:29     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2016-07-12 21:42       ` Cyrill Gorcunov [this message]
2016-07-13 10:47     ` Stanislav Kinsburskiy
2016-07-18 20:11     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-07-20 11:30       ` Stanislav Kinsburskiy
     [not found] ` <8a863273-c571-63d6-c0c3-637dff5645a3@virtuozzo.com>
2016-07-25 18:21   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 19:22     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2016-07-25 19:56       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26  8:34         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2016-07-30 17:31           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-30 20:28             ` Mateusz Guzik
2016-07-31 18:45               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-31 18:45               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-22 15:40                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2016-07-31 22:43             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2016-07-31 22:49               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01  9:04             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2016-08-10 10:48             ` Stanislav Kinsburskiy
2016-07-26 10:21     ` Stanislav Kinsburskiy
2016-07-12 15:42 Stanislav Kinsburskiy
     [not found] <1d254efe-5410-40c4-af4b-9e898682d0b3@email.android.com>
2016-07-13 10:15 ` Oleg Nesterov

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