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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Candidate fixes for premature OOM kills with node-lru v2
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:27:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160728102751.GB2799@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160728064432.GA28136@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE>

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 03:44:33PM +0900, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> > To some extent, it could be "addressed" by immediately reclaiming active
> > pages moving to the inactive list at the cost of distorting page age for a
> > workload that is genuinely close to OOM. That is similar to what zone-lru
> > ended up doing -- fast reclaiming young pages from a zone.
> 
> My expectation on my test case is that reclaimers should kick out
> actively used page and make a room for 'fork' because parallel readers
> would work even if reading pages are not cached.
> 
> It is sensitive on reclaimers efficiency because parallel readers
> read pages repeatedly and disturb reclaim. I thought that it is a
> good test for node-lru which changes reclaimers efficiency for lower
> zone. However, as you said, this efficiency comes from the cost
> distorting page aging so now I'm not sure if it is a problem that we
> need to consider. Let's skip it?
> 

I think we should skip it for now. The alterations are too specific to a
test case that is very close to being genuinely OOM. Adjusting timing
for one OOM case may just lead to complains that OOM is detected too
slowly in others.

> Anyway, thanks for tracking down the problem.
> 

My pleasure, thanks to both you and Minchan for persisting with this as
we got some important fixes out of the discussion.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Candidate fixes for premature OOM kills with node-lru v2
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:27:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160728102751.GB2799@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160728064432.GA28136@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE>

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 03:44:33PM +0900, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> > To some extent, it could be "addressed" by immediately reclaiming active
> > pages moving to the inactive list at the cost of distorting page age for a
> > workload that is genuinely close to OOM. That is similar to what zone-lru
> > ended up doing -- fast reclaiming young pages from a zone.
> 
> My expectation on my test case is that reclaimers should kick out
> actively used page and make a room for 'fork' because parallel readers
> would work even if reading pages are not cached.
> 
> It is sensitive on reclaimers efficiency because parallel readers
> read pages repeatedly and disturb reclaim. I thought that it is a
> good test for node-lru which changes reclaimers efficiency for lower
> zone. However, as you said, this efficiency comes from the cost
> distorting page aging so now I'm not sure if it is a problem that we
> need to consider. Let's skip it?
> 

I think we should skip it for now. The alterations are too specific to a
test case that is very close to being genuinely OOM. Adjusting timing
for one OOM case may just lead to complains that OOM is detected too
slowly in others.

> Anyway, thanks for tracking down the problem.
> 

My pleasure, thanks to both you and Minchan for persisting with this as
we got some important fixes out of the discussion.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-28 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-21 14:10 [PATCH 0/5] Candidate fixes for premature OOM kills with node-lru v2 Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 14:10 ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 14:10 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: add per-zone lru list stat Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 14:10   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-22 15:51   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-22 15:51     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 14:10 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm, vmscan: Remove highmem_file_pages Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 14:10   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-22 15:53   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-22 15:53     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-25  8:09   ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-25  8:09     ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-25  9:23     ` [PATCH] mm, vmscan: remove highmem_file_pages -fix Mel Gorman
2016-07-25  9:23       ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 14:10 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: Remove reclaim and compaction retry approximations Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 14:10   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-22 15:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-22 15:57     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-25  8:18   ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-25  8:18     ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-21 14:11 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm: consider per-zone inactive ratio to deactivate Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 14:11   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 15:52   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 15:52     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 14:11 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm, vmscan: Account for skipped pages as a partial scan Mel Gorman
2016-07-21 14:11   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-22 16:02   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-22 16:02     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-25  8:39   ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-25  8:39     ` Minchan Kim
2016-07-25  9:52     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-25  9:52       ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-26  8:16   ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-26  8:16     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-26  8:26     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-26  8:26       ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-26  8:11 ` [PATCH 0/5] Candidate fixes for premature OOM kills with node-lru v2 Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-26  8:11   ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-26 12:50   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-26 12:50     ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-28  6:44     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-28  6:44       ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-07-28 10:27       ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2016-07-28 10:27         ` Mel Gorman

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