From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754048AbcHRK4K (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Aug 2016 06:56:10 -0400 Received: from mail.linuxfoundation.org ([140.211.169.12]:60014 "EHLO mail.linuxfoundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752435AbcHRK4A (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Aug 2016 06:56:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:55:21 +0200 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Marcel Holtmann Cc: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" , Rob Herring , Jiri Slaby , Sebastian Reichel , Pavel Machek , Peter Hurley , NeilBrown , Arnd Bergmann , Linus Walleij , linux-bluetooth@vger.kernel.org, linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] UART slave device bus Message-ID: <20160818105521.GB7031@kroah.com> References: <20160818011445.22726-1-robh@kernel.org> <118926C8-F4D0-41F5-B6A8-690E0312F3FB@goldelico.com> <28DDAF2B-2341-403B-80D8-DA0A63F51FF1@holtmann.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <28DDAF2B-2341-403B-80D8-DA0A63F51FF1@holtmann.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.2 (2016-07-01) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 12:49:47PM +0200, Marcel Holtmann wrote: > Hi Nikolaus, > > >> Currently, devices attached via a UART are not well supported in the > >> kernel. The problem is the device support is done in tty line disciplines, > >> various platform drivers to handle some sideband, and in userspace with > >> utilities such as hciattach. > >> > >> There have been several attempts to improve support, but they suffer from > >> still being tied into the tty layer and/or abusing the platform bus. This > >> is a prototype to show creating a proper UART bus for UART devices. It is > >> tied into the serial core (really struct uart_port) below the tty layer > >> in order to use existing serial drivers. > >> > >> This is functional with minimal testing using the loopback driver and > >> pl011 (w/o DMA) UART under QEMU (modified to add a DT node for the slave > >> device). It still needs lots of work and polish. > >> > >> TODOs: > >> - Figure out the port locking. mutex plus spinlock plus refcounting? I'm > >> hoping all that complexity is from the tty layer and not needed here. > >> - Split out the controller for uart_ports into separate driver. Do we see > >> a need for controller drivers that are not standard serial drivers? > >> - Implement/test the removal paths > >> - Fix the receive callbacks for more than character at a time (i.e. DMA) > >> - Need better receive buffering than just a simple circular buffer or > >> perhaps a different receive interface (e.g. direct to client buffer)? > >> - Test with other UART drivers > >> - Convert a real driver/line discipline over to UART bus. > >> > >> Before I spend more time on this, I'm looking mainly for feedback on the > >> general direction and structure (the interface with the existing serial > >> drivers in particular). > > > > Some quick comments (can't do any real life tests in the next weeks) from my (biased) view: > > > > * tieing the solution into uart_port is the same as we had done. The difference seems to > > me that you completely bypass serial_core (and tty) while we want to integrate it with standard tty operation. > > > > We have tapped the tty layer only because it can not be 100% avoided if we use serial_core. > > > > * one feedback I had received was that there may be uart device drivers not using serial_core. I am not sure if your approach addresses that. > > > > * what I don't see is how we can implement our GPS device power control driver: > > - the device should still present itself as a tty device (so that cat /dev/ttyO1 reports NMEA records) and should > > not be completely hidden from user space or represented by a new interface type invented just for this device > > (while the majority of other GPS receivers are still simple tty devices). > > - how we can detect that the device is sending data to the UART while no user space process has the uart port open > > i.e. when does the driver know when to start/stop the UART. > > I am actually not convinced that GPS should be represented as > /dev/ttyS0 or similar TTY. It think they deserve their own driver > exposing them as simple character devices. That way we can have a > proper DEVTYPE and userspace can find them correctly. We can also > annotate them if needed for special settings. I would _love_ to see that happen, but what about the GPS line discipline that we have today? How would that match up with a char device driver? thanks, greg k-h