From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD309D for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 05:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hr2.samba.org (hr2.samba.org [144.76.82.148]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92298108 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 05:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 22:09:32 -0700 From: Jeremy Allison To: James Bottomley Message-ID: <20160828050932.GD8742@jeremy-acer> Reply-To: Jeremy Allison References: <20160826193331.GA29084@jra3> <87inunxf14.fsf@ebb.org> <20160827162655.GB27132@kroah.com> <87bn0dnc6f.fsf@ebb.org> <1472348609.2440.37.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1472348609.2440.37.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Cc: "Bradley M. Kuhn" , Linus Torvalds , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 07:43:29PM -0600, James Bottomley wrote: > However, Some developers do trust you and you've built a coalition of > the willing around that and you're off selecting targets; but our > problem, as a community, is that what you do with your coalition > affects all of us and impacts the project we care about deeply. The fact that some developers felt it necessary to join a coalition to enforce their copyright rights suggests that they don't feel that the current structures around protecting Linux are doing a good enough job of doing so. You might want to think about why that is. On another note - why does Bradley get such a bad rap ? Personally, and having worked with him long enough, I think it's because when Bradley and Conservancy have to step into a situation it's because it's already gone beyond the normal methods of community engagement and policing. My opinion of Bradley is that he is similar to Winston Wolf in Pulp Fiction. You don't call him in until you need him, but when you "got no friends in the 818 and someone needs to pick up itty-bitty pieces of GPL-violating code from your upholstery" then he's the guy whose number you need to remember :-). We as developers usually get to play good cop to other developers, asking them to do the things that they really would like to do anyway. When they're prevented from doing that for whatever reason then you do need a bad cop to make the case to the people who are controling the actions of said developers that cooperation is good for all in the long run. Without someone willing to do that thankless task - and it *IS* a thankless task as this mailing list thread has so aptly proven - all the good cops are left doing is asking if you need more coffee and donuts whilst you decide if you want to do the right thing. Some people will never get there on their own (see my previous comments about Apple, EMC, Isilon and NetApp for examples).