From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18854305 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imap.thunk.org (imap.thunk.org [74.207.234.97]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E17351D3 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:55:42 -0400 From: Theodore Ts'o To: Jeremy Allison Message-ID: <20160828125542.7oejzcbpeozkrq3k@thunk.org> References: <20160826193331.GA29084@jra3> <87inunxf14.fsf@ebb.org> <20160827162655.GB27132@kroah.com> <87bn0dnc6f.fsf@ebb.org> <1472348609.2440.37.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20160828042454.GA8742@jeremy-acer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160828042454.GA8742@jeremy-acer> Cc: James Bottomley , "Bradley M. Kuhn" , ".jra"@samba.org, Linus Torvalds , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 09:24:54PM -0700, Jeremy Allison via Ksummit-discuss wrote: > Your opinion on that is clear and I understand why you hold it. > There are many other developers who hold the same opinion, but > lots of them work on FreeBSD not Linux. > > Respectfully, I don't agree with you. Greg and Ted seem to agree > with you, Linus (like me) seems to imagine there can be a case for > that shiny red button. For the record, I believe there can be a case for the shiny red button. I just want Linus, and not the SFC (or some --- as admitted by the SFC --- minority set of developers), to be the one who decides when it's appropriate to push it. I've said it before, and I've said it again. For me, this is much more about a project governance issue. We don't let random pissed off army officers decide when to start World War III. Similarly Linux has establish consensus processes that take into accout *all* of the stakeholder, which yes, includes the those "evil corporations" that Bradley loves to bash so much in his conference talks. (Both Linus, Greg, and I have alluded to Bradley's talks, because fortunately, they are available on YouTube. And we've been looking at them, and then comparing them to what has been claimed to be the SFC's position by Bradley, Karen, and yourself.) The SFC seems to be willing to take on a small subset of developers and seems to have asserted "we will do what our clients tell us to do". We might not or might not be able to stop the SFC, just as there are limits to what we could do to stop Patrick McHardy. But Linus has stated pretty clearly what his preferences are, and if the SFC is going to 100% back the position Bradley has taken in his linux.conf.au talk vis-a-vis "we have to take on the kernel module question in as many legal venues as possible" and "having exhausted Busybox because companies have switched to Toybox due to the litigation risks, Linux is the next great battleground for the GPL" --- then perhaps it's understandable why a number of kernel developers aren't going to trust the SFC's agenda and motives. - Ted