From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:14:37 -0400 From: Theodore Ts'o To: Mark Brown Message-ID: <20160913031437.d7aal75mnmqeqfce@thunk.org> References: <57C78BE9.30009@linaro.org> <20160902134711.movdpffcdcsx6kzv@thunk.org> <20160910120055.gr2cvad7efwci4f2@thunk.org> <20160912162714.GC27946@sirena.org.uk> <20160912171450.GB27349@kroah.com> <20160912234548.GL27946@sirena.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160912234548.GL27946@sirena.org.uk> Cc: Tsugikazu Shibata , Greg KH , "ltsi-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] [Stable kernel] feature backporting collaboration List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:45:48AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > Part of the problem when the announcement was done after the release was > that there was a lot of trying to read the runes and guess what'll > happen and when going on behind the scenes, if people would like to > follow the LTS but also have product deadlines they can end up walking a > tightrope with their schedule and trying to predict LTS. What you did > with v4.4 (announcing during the -rc cycle) addresses this, as does what > you've done this year pulling that even further forwards. > > If things don't work out with what you're doing with the preannouncement > it might be good to comment on that that and say you intend to do > something different next year, but hopefully everything will be fine of > course. So Greg has already said that if people abuse the preannouncement by trying to push obviously unready code into 4.9 to comply with enterprise distributions requirements that features have to be upstream first (although obviously the distributions would accept "bug fix" patches), he reserved the right to retroactively declare that 4.8 or 4.10 would be the LTS kernel. So even this year, if people behave badly (which is the reason why the announcement was done after the release -- people were trying to game the system) it is not guaranteed that 4.9 will be the LTS kernel. - Ted