From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756181AbcKWDW0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:22:26 -0500 Received: from mail-pg0-f44.google.com ([74.125.83.44]:33192 "EHLO mail-pg0-f44.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755713AbcKWDWY (ORCPT ); Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:22:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:52:18 +0530 From: Viresh Kumar To: Vincent Guittot Cc: Kevin Hilman , Rob Herring , Rafael Wysocki , "linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org" , "linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" , linux-kernel , Mark Rutland , Ulf Hansson , Lina Iyer , "devicetree@vger.kernel.org" , Stephen Boyd , Nayak Rajendra Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] PM / Domains: Introduce domain-performance-state binding Message-ID: <20161123032218.GA22335@vireshk-i7> References: <20161121150708.j4gosfr2uetc7mwp@rob-hp-laptop> <20161122031717.GE10014@vireshk-i7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Thanks for explaining on my behalf Vincent :) On 22-11-16, 19:34, Vincent Guittot wrote: > On 22 November 2016 at 19:12, Kevin Hilman wrote: > > I think the question is: what does the performance-level of a domain > > actually mean? Or, what are the units? There is no unit. If we have units like Hz and volts etc, then we can actually use the existing clk/regulator frameworks straight away. The whole problem here is that the regulator (and maybe the clock on a different platform) for a power domain are hidden from the kernel and handled by a black box (An M3 core in my case). All we can ask is for a performance state, a simple positive integer value. > > Depending on the SoC, there's probably a few things this could mean. It > > might mean is that an underlying bus/interconnect can be configured to > > guarantee a specific bandwidth or throughput. We are talking in terms of power domains here and so if the bus/interconnect has a power domain for itself, then yes we can very much have that situation. But if the kernel have the capability of configuring clk and voltages directly, then we don't need this new infrastructure at all. > > That in turn might mean > > that that bus/interconnect might have to be set at a specific > > frequency/voltage. > > > > In your case, IIUC, you're just passing some magic value to some > > firmware running on a micro-controller, but under the hood that uC is > > probably configuring a frequency/voltage someplace. > > In the case described by Viresh, it's only about setting the voltage > of a power domain that is shared between different devices. these > devices wants to run at different frequency (set by the devices) but > we have to select a Volateg value that will match with the constraint > of all devices (in this case the highest voltage) That's right. > > So, if we're going to have a generic DT binding for this, it needs to be > > something that's useful on platforms that are not using magic numbers > > managed by a uC as well. What suggestions do you have for this and I am not sure what all cases we want to solve by this ? -- viresh From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Viresh Kumar Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] PM / Domains: Introduce domain-performance-state binding Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:52:18 +0530 Message-ID: <20161123032218.GA22335@vireshk-i7> References: <20161121150708.j4gosfr2uetc7mwp@rob-hp-laptop> <20161122031717.GE10014@vireshk-i7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: devicetree-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org To: Vincent Guittot Cc: Kevin Hilman , Rob Herring , Rafael Wysocki , "linaro-kernel-cunTk1MwBs8s++Sfvej+rw@public.gmane.org" , "linux-pm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org" , linux-kernel , Mark Rutland , Ulf Hansson , Lina Iyer , "devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org" , Stephen Boyd , Nayak Rajendra List-Id: devicetree@vger.kernel.org Thanks for explaining on my behalf Vincent :) On 22-11-16, 19:34, Vincent Guittot wrote: > On 22 November 2016 at 19:12, Kevin Hilman wrote: > > I think the question is: what does the performance-level of a domain > > actually mean? Or, what are the units? There is no unit. If we have units like Hz and volts etc, then we can actually use the existing clk/regulator frameworks straight away. The whole problem here is that the regulator (and maybe the clock on a different platform) for a power domain are hidden from the kernel and handled by a black box (An M3 core in my case). All we can ask is for a performance state, a simple positive integer value. > > Depending on the SoC, there's probably a few things this could mean. It > > might mean is that an underlying bus/interconnect can be configured to > > guarantee a specific bandwidth or throughput. We are talking in terms of power domains here and so if the bus/interconnect has a power domain for itself, then yes we can very much have that situation. But if the kernel have the capability of configuring clk and voltages directly, then we don't need this new infrastructure at all. > > That in turn might mean > > that that bus/interconnect might have to be set at a specific > > frequency/voltage. > > > > In your case, IIUC, you're just passing some magic value to some > > firmware running on a micro-controller, but under the hood that uC is > > probably configuring a frequency/voltage someplace. > > In the case described by Viresh, it's only about setting the voltage > of a power domain that is shared between different devices. these > devices wants to run at different frequency (set by the devices) but > we have to select a Volateg value that will match with the constraint > of all devices (in this case the highest voltage) That's right. > > So, if we're going to have a generic DT binding for this, it needs to be > > something that's useful on platforms that are not using magic numbers > > managed by a uC as well. What suggestions do you have for this and I am not sure what all cases we want to solve by this ? -- viresh -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe devicetree" in the body of a message to majordomo-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html