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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: How to favor memory allocations for WQ_MEM_RECLAIM threads?
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 16:48:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170307214842.GA7500@htj.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170307212132.GQ17542@dastard>

Hello,

On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:21:32AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > I don't see how whether something is running off of a rescuer or not
> > matters here.  The only thing workqueue guarantees is that there's
> > gonna be at least one kworker thread executing work items from the
> > workqueue.  Running on a rescuer doesn't necessarily indicate memory
> > pressure condition.
> 
> That's news to me. In what situations do we run the rescuer thread
> other than memory allocation failure when queuing work?

It's a timeout based mechanism.  Whevever the delay might be coming
from, the rescuer kicks in if the workqueue fails to make forward
progress for a while.  The only thing which can induce delay there is
kthread creation path, which usually gets blocked on memory pressure
but it could easily be something else - severe cpu contention,
somebody holding some mutex for too long, whatever.

> > It's implementable for sure.  I'm just not sure how it'd help
> > anything.  It's not a relevant information on anything.
> 
> Except to enable us to get closer to the "rescuer must make forwards
> progress" guarantee. In this context, the rescuer is the only
> context we should allow to dip into memory reserves. I'm happy if we
> have to explicitly check for that and set PF_MEMALLOC ourselves 
> (we do that for XFS kernel threads involved in memory reclaim),
> but it's not something we should set automatically on every
> IO completion work item we run....

Ah, okay, that does make sense to me.  Yeah, providing that test
shouldn't be difficult at all.  Lemme cook up a patch.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: How to favor memory allocations for WQ_MEM_RECLAIM threads?
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 16:48:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170307214842.GA7500@htj.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170307212132.GQ17542@dastard>

Hello,

On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:21:32AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > I don't see how whether something is running off of a rescuer or not
> > matters here.  The only thing workqueue guarantees is that there's
> > gonna be at least one kworker thread executing work items from the
> > workqueue.  Running on a rescuer doesn't necessarily indicate memory
> > pressure condition.
> 
> That's news to me. In what situations do we run the rescuer thread
> other than memory allocation failure when queuing work?

It's a timeout based mechanism.  Whevever the delay might be coming
from, the rescuer kicks in if the workqueue fails to make forward
progress for a while.  The only thing which can induce delay there is
kthread creation path, which usually gets blocked on memory pressure
but it could easily be something else - severe cpu contention,
somebody holding some mutex for too long, whatever.

> > It's implementable for sure.  I'm just not sure how it'd help
> > anything.  It's not a relevant information on anything.
> 
> Except to enable us to get closer to the "rescuer must make forwards
> progress" guarantee. In this context, the rescuer is the only
> context we should allow to dip into memory reserves. I'm happy if we
> have to explicitly check for that and set PF_MEMALLOC ourselves 
> (we do that for XFS kernel threads involved in memory reclaim),
> but it's not something we should set automatically on every
> IO completion work item we run....

Ah, okay, that does make sense to me.  Yeah, providing that test
shouldn't be difficult at all.  Lemme cook up a patch.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-07 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-03 10:48 How to favor memory allocations for WQ_MEM_RECLAIM threads? Tetsuo Handa
2017-03-03 10:48 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-03-03 13:39 ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-03 13:39   ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-03 15:37   ` Brian Foster
2017-03-03 15:37     ` Brian Foster
2017-03-03 15:52     ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-03 15:52       ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-03 17:29       ` Brian Foster
2017-03-03 17:29         ` Brian Foster
2017-03-04 14:54         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-03-04 14:54           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-03-06 13:25           ` Brian Foster
2017-03-06 13:25             ` Brian Foster
2017-03-06 16:08             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-03-06 16:08               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-03-06 16:17               ` Brian Foster
2017-03-06 16:17                 ` Brian Foster
2017-03-03 23:25   ` Dave Chinner
2017-03-03 23:25     ` Dave Chinner
2017-03-07 12:15     ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-07 12:15       ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-07 19:36       ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-07 19:36         ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-07 21:21         ` Dave Chinner
2017-03-07 21:21           ` Dave Chinner
2017-03-07 21:48           ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2017-03-07 21:48             ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-08 23:03             ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-08 23:03               ` Tejun Heo

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