On Fri 2017-03-17 11:42:03, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> > We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little
> > attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take
> > a good look at the reasons why there has been little or no development: is
> > it because of fundamental design defects, or because nobody paid attention
> > to it?
> > 
> > I strongly suspect it is the latter.
> > 
> > In addition, I suspect end-users of these complex devices don't really care
> > about a plugin: they want full control and won't typically use generic
> > applications. If they would need support for that, we'd have seen much more
> > interest. The main reason for having a plugin is to simplify testing and
> > if this is going to be used on cheap hobbyist devkits.
> 
> I think you're looking at it with a programmers hat on, not a users hat.
> 
> Are you really telling me that requiring users to 'su' to root, and then
> use media-ctl to manually configure the capture device is what most
> users "want" ?

If you want to help users, right way is to improve userland support. 

> Hasn't the way technology has moved towards graphical interfaces,
> particularly smart phones, taught us that the vast majority of users
> want is intuitive, easy to use interfaces, and not the command line
> with reams of documentation?

How is it relevant to _kernel_ interfaces?
									Pavel

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