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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@s-opensource.com>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>,
	David Mosberger <davidm@egauge.net>,
	Jaejoong Kim <climbbb.kim@gmail.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@infradead.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa-dev@sang-engineering.com>,
	John Youn <johnyoun@synopsys.com>, Roger Quadros <rogerq@ti.com>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 22/22] usb: document that URB transfer_buffer should be aligned
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 07:28:00 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170330072800.5ee8bc33@vento.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3181783.rVmBcEVlbi@avalon>

Em Thu, 30 Mar 2017 12:34:32 +0300
Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com> escreveu:

> Hi Oliver,
> 
> On Thursday 30 Mar 2017 10:11:31 Oliver Neukum wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 30.03.2017, 01:15 +0300 schrieb Laurent Pinchart:  
> > > > +   may also override PAD bytes at the end of the ``transfer_buffer``,
> > > > up to the
> > > > +   size of the CPU word.  
> > > 
> > > "May" is quite weak here. If some host controller drivers require buffers
> > > to be aligned, then it's an API requirement, and all buffers must be
> > > aligned. I'm not even sure I would mention that some host drivers require
> > > it, I think we should just state that the API requires buffers to be
> > > aligned.  
> > 
> > That effectively changes the API. Many network drivers are written with
> > the assumption that any contiguous buffer is valid. In fact you could
> > argue that those drivers are buggy and must use bounce buffers in those
> > cases.

Blaming the dwc2 driver was my first approach, but such patch got nacked ;)

Btw, the dwc2 driver has a routine that creates a temporary buffer if the
buffer pointer is not DWORD aligned. My first approach were to add
a logic there to also use the temporary buffer if the buffer size is
not DWORD aligned:
	https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/40093/

While debugging this issue, I saw *a lot* of network-generated URB
traffic from RPi3 Ethernet port drivers that were using non-aligned 
buffers and were subject to the temporary buffer conversion.

My understanding here is that having a temporary bounce buffer sucks,
as the performance and latency are affected. So, I see the value of
adding this constraint to the API, pushing the task of getting 
aligned buffers to the USB drivers, but you're right: that means a lot
of work, as all USB drivers should be reviewed.

Btw, I'm a lot more concerned about USB storage drivers. When I was
discussing about this issue at the #raspberrypi-devel IRC channel,
someone complained that, after switching from the RPi downstream Kernel
to upstream, his USB data storage got corrupted. Well, if the USB
storage drivers also assume that the buffer can be continuous,
that can corrupt data.

That's why I think that being verbose here is a good idea.

I'll rework on this patch to put more emphasis about this issue.

> > 
> > So we need to include the full story here.  
> 
> I personally don't care much about whose side is responsible for handling the 
> alignment constraints, but I want it to be documented before "fixing" any USB 
> driver.
> 



Thanks,
Mauro

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-30 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-29 18:54 [PATCH 01/22] driver-api/basics.rst: add device table header Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 02/22] docs-rst: convert usb docbooks to ReST Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-30  7:48   ` Markus Heiser
2017-03-30  8:21     ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-30  9:20       ` Markus Heiser
2017-03-30 10:12         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-30 11:17           ` Markus Heiser
2017-03-30 11:35             ` Markus Heiser
2017-03-30 12:10             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-31 14:46         ` Jonathan Corbet
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 03/22] usb.rst: Enrich its ReST representation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 04/22] gadget.rst: Enrich its ReST representation and add kernel-doc tag Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-30  7:01   ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-30  7:04     ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-30  9:29       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-30  8:45     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 05/22] writing_usb_driver.rst: Enrich its ReST representation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 06/22] writing_musb_glue_layer.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 07/22] usb/anchors.txt: convert to ReST and add to driver-api book Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 08/22] usb/bulk-streams.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 09/22] usb/callbacks.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 10/22] usb/power-management.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 11/22] usb/dma.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 12/22] error-codes.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 13/22] usb/hotplug.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 14/22] usb/persist.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 15/22] usb/URB.txt: convert to ReST and update it Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 16/22] usb/gadget.rst: remove unused kernel-doc tags Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 17/22] usb.rst: get rid of some Sphinx errors Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 18/22] usb: get rid of some ReST doc build errors Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 19/22] usb: composite.h: fix two warnings when building docs Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 20/22] usb: gadget.h: be consistent at kernel doc macros Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 21/22] docs-rst: fix usb cross-references Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 18:54 ` [PATCH 22/22] usb: document that URB transfer_buffer should be aligned Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-29 22:15   ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-30  1:06     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-30  9:38       ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-30 10:51         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-30  8:11     ` Oliver Neukum
2017-03-30  9:34       ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-30 10:28         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2017-03-30 11:07           ` David Laight
2017-03-30 12:05           ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-30 12:37             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-30 12:56           ` Oliver Neukum
2017-03-30 14:26             ` Alan Stern
2017-03-30 15:45               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-30 15:55                 ` Alan Stern
2017-03-30 20:16                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-30 20:57                   ` Oliver Neukum
2017-03-31 14:07                     ` Alan Stern
2017-03-31  1:26 ` [PATCH 01/22] driver-api/basics.rst: add device table header kbuild test robot

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