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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Todd Kjos <tkjos@android.com>, Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>,
	Andres Oportus <andresoportus@google.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>,
	Chris Redpath <chris.redpath@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 0/5] Add capacity capping support to the CPU controller
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:10:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170412121009.GD3093@worktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170411175833.GI29455@e110439-lin>

Let me reply in parts as I read this.. easy things first :-)

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 06:58:33PM +0100, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> On 10-Apr 09:36, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> >  4) they have muddled semantics, because while its presented as a task
> >     property, it very much is not.
> 
> Actually we always presented it as a task group property, while other
> people suggested it should be a per-task API.
> 
> Still, IMO it could make sense also as a per-task API, for example
> considering a specific RT task which we know in our system is
> perfectly fine to always run it below a certain OPP.
> 
> Do you think it should be a per-task API?
> Should we focus (at least initially) on providing a per task-group API?

Even for the cgroup interface, I think they should set a per-task
property, not a group property.

> >  3) they have absolutely unacceptable overhead in implementation. Two
> >     more RB tree operations per enqueue/dequeue is just not going to
> >     happen.
> 
> This last point is about "implementation details", I'm pretty
> confident that if we find an agreement on the previous point than
> this last will be simple to solve.
> 
> Just to be clear, the rb-trees are per CPU and used to track just the
> RUNNABLE tasks on each CPUs and, as I described in the previous
> example, for the OPP biasing to work I think we really need an
> aggregation mechanism.

I know its runnable, which is exactly what the regular RB tree in fair
already tracks. That gets us 3 RB tree operations per scheduling
operation, which is entirely ridiculous.

And while I disagree with the need to track this at all, see below, it
can be done _much_ cheaper using a double augmented RB-tree, where you
keep the min/max as heaps inside the regular RB-tree.

> Ideally, every time a task is enqueue/dequeued from a CPU we want to
> know what is the currently required capacity clamping. This requires
> to maintain an ordered list of values and rb-trees are the most effective
> solution.
> 
> Perhaps, if we accept a certain level of approximation, we can
> potentially reduce the set of tracked values to a finite set (maybe
> corresponding to the EM capacity values) and use just a per-cpu
> ref-counting array.
> Still the min/max aggregation will have a worst case O(N) search
> complexity, where N is the number of finite values we want to use.

So the bigger point is that if the min/max is a per-task property (even
if set through a cgroup interface), the min(max) / max(min) thing is
wrong.

If the min/max were to apply to each individual task's util, you'd end
up with something like: Dom(\Sum util) = [min(1, \Sum min), min(1, \Sum max)].

Where a possible approximation is scaling the aggregate util into that
domain.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-12 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-28 14:38 [RFC v3 0/5] Add capacity capping support to the CPU controller Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 1/5] sched/core: add capacity constraints to " Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-13 10:46   ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-15 11:20     ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-15 13:20       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-15 16:10         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-03-15 16:44           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-15 17:24             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-03-15 17:57               ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-20 17:15   ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-20 17:36     ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-20 18:08     ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-23  0:28       ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-23 10:32         ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-23 16:01           ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-23 18:15             ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-23 18:39               ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-24  6:37                 ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-24 15:00                   ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-30 21:13                 ` Paul Turner
2017-03-24  7:02           ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-30 21:15       ` Paul Turner
2017-04-01 16:25         ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 2/5] sched/core: track CPU's capacity_{min,max} Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 3/5] sched/core: sync capacity_{min,max} between slow and fast paths Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 4/5] sched/{core,cpufreq_schedutil}: add capacity clamping for FAIR tasks Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 5/5] sched/{core,cpufreq_schedutil}: add capacity clamping for RT/DL tasks Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-13 10:08   ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-15 11:40     ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-15 12:59       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-15 14:44         ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-15 16:13           ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-15 16:24             ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-15 23:40               ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-16 11:16                 ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-16 12:27                   ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-16 12:44                     ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-16 16:58                       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-16 17:17                         ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-15 11:41 ` [RFC v3 0/5] Add capacity capping support to the CPU controller Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-15 12:59   ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-16  1:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-16  3:15       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-20 22:51         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21 11:01           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-24 23:52             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-16 12:23       ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-20 14:51 ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-20 17:22   ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-10  7:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-11 17:58       ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 12:10         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2017-04-12 13:55           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 15:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-13 11:33               ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 12:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 13:34           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 14:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 12:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 13:24           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 12:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 13:27           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 14:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 14:43               ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 16:14                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-13 10:34                   ` Patrick Bellasi

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