From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755603AbdDLXJB (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:09:01 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([65.50.211.133]:55344 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752870AbdDLXI7 (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:08:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:08:54 -0700 From: Darren Hart To: Rafael Wysocki , Len Brown , Pali =?iso-8859-1?Q?Roh=E1r?= , Corentin Chary , Mario Limonciello , Andy Lutomirski , Andy Shevchenko Cc: LKML , platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org Subject: RFC: WMI Enhancements Message-ID: <20170412230854.GA11963@fury> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi All, There are a few parallel efforts involving the Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI)[1] and dependent/related drivers. I'd like to have a round of discussion among those of you that have been involved in this space before we decide on a direction. The WMI support in the kernel today fairly narrowly supports a handful of systems. Andy L. has a work-in-progress series [2] which converts wmi into a platform device and a proper bus, providing devices for dependent drivers to bind to, and a mechanism for sibling devices to communicate with each other. I've reviewed the series and feel like the approach is sound, I plan to carry this series forward and merge it (with Andy L's permission). Are there any objections to this? In Windows, applications interact with WMI more or less directly. We don't do this in Linux currently, although it has been discussed in the past [3]. Some vendors will work around this by performing SMI/SMM, which is inefficient at best. Exposing WMI methods to userspace would bring parity to WMI for Linux and Windows. There are two principal concerns I'd appreciate your thoughts on: a) As an undiscoverable interface (you need to know the method signatures ahead of time), universally exposing every WMI "device" to userspace seems like "a bad idea" from a security and stability perspective. While access would certainly be privileged, it seems more prudent to make this exposure opt-in. We also handle some of this with kernel drivers and exposing those "devices" to userspace would enable userspace and the kernel to fight over control. So - if we expose WMI devices to userspace, I believe this should be done on a case by case basis, opting in, and not by default as part of the WMI driver (although it can provide the mechanism for a sub-driver to use), and possibly a devmode to do so by default. b) The mechanism to expose WMI devices to userspace must allow for atomic operation, which would exclude a sysfs interface involving multiple files. Something like an ioctl or a char dev would be more appropriate. Does anyone think differently regarding a) or b) ? Secondarily, Andy L created a simple driver to expose the MOF buffer [2] to userspace which could be consumed by a userspace tool to create sources for an interface to the exposed WMI methods. With or without MOF support however, I think it makes sense to provide a common WMI mechanism to expose specific devices/methods to userspace. Appreciate your thoughts, References: 1. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/Dn614028(v=vs.85).aspx 2. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/luto/linux.git/log/?h=platform/wmi 3. https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org/msg11686.html -- Darren Hart VMware Open Source Technology Center