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From: Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.com>
To: Coly Li <i@coly.li>
Cc: Kai Krakow <hurikhan77@gmail.com>, linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reasoning of exposing queue/rotational=0
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 19:44:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170505174438.GA22811@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f99de33e-f90e-1492-7561-5a63d6814a9e@coly.li>

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 12:11:13AM +0800, Coly Li wrote:
> On 2017/5/5 上午5:24, Kai Krakow wrote:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > What's the reasoning for exposing bcache devices as being
> > non-rotational? Currently, it fools btrfs into using ssd allocation
> > scheme on the underlying harddisks which isn't really what I expected
> > to get. So I used a udev rule to change this:
> > 
> > ACTION=="add|change", KERNEL=="bcache*", ATTR{queue/rotational}="1"
> > 
> > Wouldn't it make more sense to set this to the same value as the
> > underlying backing device by default?
> > 
> > Because in reality, the bcache is still what the backing device is: A
> > rotational medium. A cache doesn't make this non-rotational.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> 
> It depends on hit ration. If a non-rotational device used as cache, and
> hit ration is high enough, the cached device just responses as
> non-rotational device.
> 
> But yes, I feel your opinion makes sense, in the btrfs case. How about a
> policy like this:
> 
> 
> cache-device-rotational   backing-device-rotational   export-rotational
>          Y                            Y                      Y
>          Y                            N                      N
>          N                            Y                      N
>          N                            N                      N
> 
> That is, a bcache device is exposed as non-rotational device only when
> all devices of cache devices and backing devices are all rotational.

I don't think that makes much sense either - the cache device will not
be used in the pattern that the exposed bcache device is, so any choice
of access patterns by a higher level based on rotational/non-rotational
will be messed up anyway.

I think the current behavior (rotational=0) is correct in most cases.

-- 
Vojtech Pavlik
Director SuSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-05 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-04 21:24 Reasoning of exposing queue/rotational=0 Kai Krakow
2017-05-05 16:11 ` Coly Li
2017-05-05 17:44   ` Vojtech Pavlik [this message]
2017-05-05 18:23     ` Kai Krakow
2017-05-05 19:02       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2017-05-05 19:14         ` Kai Krakow
2017-05-09 18:11           ` Eric Wheeler
2017-05-10 20:18             ` Kai Krakow
2017-05-05 19:01     ` Kai Krakow
2017-05-05 18:04   ` Kai Krakow

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