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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] DWARF: add the config option
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 19:59:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170507175915.ggwfusgvbwfqsvtz@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170507165524.cdxfuwbd5alr7v6k@treble>


* Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:

> One instance of the structure would exist for each time the stack
> pointer changes, e.g. for every function entry, push/pop, and rsp
> add/subtract.  The data could be assembled and sorted offline, possibly
> derived from DWARF, or more likely, generated by objtool.  After doing
> some rough calculations, I think the section size would be comparable to
> the sizes of the DWARF .eh_frame sections it would replace.

That's something I've been thinking about as well: if objtool generates the 
unwinder data structures then the kernel is not directly exposed to tooling bugs 
anymore.

A fair chunk of the fragility of DWARF comes from the fact that it's generated by 
a tool chain that we cannot fix as part of the kernel project. If GCC generates 
crap debuginfo, and GDB happens to work with it but the kernel not, we'll have to 
work it around in the kernel. If GCC starts bloating debuginfo in the future we 
are screwed as well, etc.

If objtool generates debuginfo then it's _our_ responsibility to have sane 
unwinder info and we obviously manage its structure and size as well. Win-win.

The unwinder itself should still do sanity checks, etc. (like all good debugging 
infrastructure code) - but the nature of the kernel's exposure to tool chain 
details changes in a very fundamental way.

So yes, I think this is a very good idea, assuming it works in practice! ;-)

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-07 21:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-05 12:21 [PATCH 1/7] DWARF: add option to preserve unwind info Jiri Slaby
2017-05-05 12:21 ` [PATCH 2/7] DWARF: EH-frame based stack unwinding Jiri Slaby
2017-05-05 12:21 ` [PATCH 3/7] vmlinux.lds: preserve eh_frame for DWARF unwinder Jiri Slaby
2017-05-05 12:21 ` [PATCH 4/7] DWARF: initialize structures for kernel and modules Jiri Slaby
2017-05-05 12:21 ` [PATCH 5/7] unwinder: show_stack, check also ret_addr_p's contents Jiri Slaby
2017-05-05 12:21 ` [PATCH 6/7] unwinder: plug in the DWARF unwinder Jiri Slaby
2017-05-05 12:22 ` [PATCH 7/7] DWARF: add the config option Jiri Slaby
2017-05-05 19:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-06  7:19     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-10  7:46       ` Jiri Slaby
2017-05-06 14:24     ` Jiri Kosina
2017-05-07 16:55     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-07 17:59       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-05-07 18:08         ` hpa
2017-05-07 21:48           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08  7:50             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2017-05-08 13:14               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08  5:35       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08  6:15         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-08 14:40         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 18:57           ` hpa
2017-05-09  0:21       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-09  1:38         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-09  2:31           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-09  3:38             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-09 10:00               ` hpa
2017-05-09 14:58                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-09 16:46                   ` H.J. Lu
2017-05-10  8:15                 ` Jiri Slaby
2017-05-10 13:09                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-10 16:23                     ` H.J. Lu
2017-05-09 18:47       ` Jiri Kosina
2017-05-09 19:22         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-10  8:32           ` Jiri Slaby
2017-05-10 13:13             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-23  7:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-05-23  7:27               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-19 20:53       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-19 20:57         ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-05-19 20:59         ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-05-19 21:29           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-19 21:35             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-20  5:23               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-20 16:20                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-20 17:19                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-20 20:01                   ` H.J. Lu
2017-05-20 21:58                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-20 22:20                       ` H.J. Lu
2017-05-22 11:34                         ` Jiri Kosina
2017-05-22 14:39                           ` H.J. Lu
2017-05-22 21:07                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-05-22 21:37                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-05-22 22:11                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-20 20:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-20 21:56                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-20 23:00                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-20 23:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-26  6:54               ` Jiri Slaby
2017-05-26 11:29                 ` Jiri Slaby
2017-05-26 12:14                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-22 11:12             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-22 21:16               ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-05-22 23:23                 ` Jiri Kosina
2017-05-23  5:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-26 19:16                   ` hpa
2017-05-28  9:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-10  7:39     ` Jiri Slaby
2017-05-10 12:42       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-10 12:47         ` Jiri Slaby
2017-05-10 18:11       ` Linus Torvalds

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