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From: Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Mario.Limonciello@dell.com, "Pali Rohár" <pali.rohar@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Len Brown" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	"Corentin Chary" <corentin.chary@gmail.com>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 08:29:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170508152907.GA17700@fury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUgPgk7uVdYx4zJzXQHpk5zALmzSp3Zcz9+FPAe6bA5LQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 06:25:08PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 5:51 PM,  <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com> wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Darren Hart [mailto:dvhart@infradead.org]
> >> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 6:45 PM
> >> To: Limonciello, Mario <Mario_Limonciello@Dell.com>
> >> Cc: pali.rohar@gmail.com; rjw@rjwysocki.net; luto@amacapital.net;
> >> len.brown@intel.com; corentin.chary@gmail.com; luto@kernel.org;
> >> andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; platform-
> >> driver-x86@vger.kernel.org; linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
> >> Subject: Re: RFC: WMI Enhancements
> 
> 
> > I meant that to say that at least for now Andy's wmi-mof driver should still be merged.
> > If something is going to build on top of this to do WBEM tools, they'll need that MOF
> > data once someone figures out how to nicely deconstruct it.
> >
> 
> The thing I don't like about my own driver is that, as a WMI device
> driver, it can be loaded before the rest of the bus finishes probing.
> So user programs that are notified asynchronously that the wmi-mof
> driver is loaded and try to use future functionality (ioctl to issue a
> MOF-based method call?) might end up doing so before the rest of the
> bus is probed.
> 
> This could be addressed by always exposing the wmi-mof device last
> (sort of -- it can be a module) or perhaps by moving MOF functionality
> to the core driver.  Or maybe it's not really a problem.

Thanks Andy, I'll keep that in mind and see if I can come up with something to
address it while working on WMI this week.

The other problem with wmi-mof is that there will be no immediate open source
consumers of the interface, and none on the horizon. We can't even test it to
any meaningful degree on Linux. I suspect this will be met with stiff
resistance.

> 
> Also, isn't there a way to ask Microsoft to document this?  Are you
> supposed to "ask a question" on this forum, perhaps:
> 
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg134029.aspx
> 
> I'm guessing the Samba team knows how to do this, too.
> 

It's a start.

-- 
Darren Hart
VMware Open Source Technology Center

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-08 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-12 23:08 RFC: WMI Enhancements Darren Hart
2017-04-13  7:32 ` Michał Kępień
2017-04-13 13:29   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 13:29     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 13:51     ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-13 15:34       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-13 15:40         ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 15:40           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 16:06           ` Darren Hart
2017-04-13 15:40       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 15:40         ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-18  7:36         ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-04-18 14:08           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-18 14:08             ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 15:32   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-13 15:39     ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-13 15:44       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-13 16:09         ` Darren Hart
2017-04-13 15:55     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 15:55       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 15:57       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-13 16:54         ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 16:54           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 17:06           ` Darren Hart
2017-04-13 17:39             ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 17:39               ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 17:44               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-13 17:49                 ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 17:49                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-18  7:54               ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-18 16:56                 ` Darren Hart
2017-04-18 19:28                   ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-13 17:02       ` Darren Hart
2017-04-13 17:32         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-13 17:45           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 17:45             ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 16:08     ` Darren Hart
2017-04-13  7:33 ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-13 16:56   ` Darren Hart
2017-04-13 20:38     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 20:38       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-13 23:51       ` Darren Hart
2017-04-14 17:42         ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-14 17:42           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-14 18:27           ` Darren Hart
2017-04-14 19:04             ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-14 19:04               ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-14 22:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-04-14 23:05   ` Darren Hart
2017-04-17 22:03     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-17 23:10       ` Darren Hart
2017-04-18 13:07         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-04-18 16:33           ` Darren Hart
2017-04-18 19:28             ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-18 22:49               ` Darren Hart
2017-04-19  7:52                 ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-19 16:29                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-19 16:29                     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-19 16:54                     ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-19 17:24                       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-19 17:24                         ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-04-20 13:14                         ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-20 20:44                           ` Darren Hart
2017-05-05 21:55                             ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-05 21:55                               ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-05 23:44                               ` Darren Hart
2017-05-06  0:51                                 ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-06  0:51                                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-06  1:25                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 15:29                                     ` Darren Hart [this message]
2017-05-08 15:36                                       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 15:36                                         ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 15:47                                         ` Darren Hart
2017-05-08 16:00                                           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 16:00                                             ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 16:04                                           ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]                                             ` <CAOg5c--wkQgvsmhTynAKyG9iWaHjRWC5Z+MXzVJVw66vxSz4Zw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-05-08 18:26                                               ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 18:26                                                 ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 19:09                                                 ` Darren Hart
2017-05-08 19:11                                                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 19:11                                                     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 17:17                               ` Pali Rohár
2017-05-08 19:21                                 ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 19:21                                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 20:59                                   ` Pali Rohár
2017-05-08 21:18                                     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 21:18                                       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-08 22:17                                       ` Pali Rohár
2017-05-09  1:10                                         ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-09  1:10                                           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-09  7:29                                           ` Pali Rohár
2017-05-09 18:10                                             ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-09 18:10                                               ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-09 19:04                                               ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-05-09 19:16                                                 ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-09 19:16                                                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-05-09 19:26                                                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-05-09 22:38                                                     ` Pali Rohár
2017-05-09 19:19                                                 ` Pali Rohár
2017-04-20 14:17                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-04-18 21:14             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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