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From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>, Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>
Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/5] kmod: add helpers for getting kmod limit
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 22:27:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170526202731.GY8951@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170526005651.GE29859@dtor-ws>

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 05:56:51PM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 05:16:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > This adds helpers for getting access to the kmod limit from
> > userspace. This knob should help userspace more gracefully and
> > deterministically handle module loading.
> 
> I think more details is needed before we add a new ABI to the kernel.
> Why can't userspace submit as much as it wants and the kernel decide how
> much it will service at once?

I suppose I should clarify on the commit log then, that without this heuristic
of #ifdef get_kmod_umh_limit -- *iff* userspace today is allowing more than 50
threads it can mean userspace is allowing a modprobe to fail. Check the results
of test 0008 and 0009 on dmesg, you can end up with really unexpected results.

This knob enables userspace to gracefully send in as many requests as allowed.
I guess this could just be a kernel revision check...  given that once
throttling go in it can be as crazy as it wants.

Also I suppose one could argue that *since* this has not been a real issue
*yet* (we assume), the old userspace of sending as many requests as it needs
is fine.

Will drop this!

  Luis

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-27  1:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-19  3:24 [PATCH 0/6] kmod: few simple enhancements Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 1/6] kmod: add dynamic max concurrent thread count Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19 20:44   ` Dmitry Torokhov
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     [not found]         ` <CAB=NE6Vc6RDAytn2Pkv2V58HFo8ncR0eOHZ3===kbZ2NF78ubg@mail.gmail.com>
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2017-05-19 21:58             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 16:22               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 16:38                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 16:50                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 17:30                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 17:38                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 18:06                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 18:26                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 19:01                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 21:38                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 2/6] module: use list_for_each_entry_rcu() on find_module_all() Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-23 14:46   ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 3/6] kmod: provide wrappers for kmod_concurrent inc/dec Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 4/6] kmod: return -EBUSY if modprobe limit is reached Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 5/6] kmod: preempt on kmod_umh_threads_get() Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19 22:27   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25  0:14     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25  0:45       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25  1:00         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25  2:27           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 11:19             ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-25 15:38               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-25 16:42               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25 15:18             ` Jessica Yu
2017-05-19  3:24 ` [PATCH 6/6] kmod: use simplified rate limit printk Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-19 22:23   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-23  9:00     ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-26  0:16 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] kmod: help make deterministic Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] module: use list_for_each_entry_rcu() on find_module_all() Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] kmod: reduce atomic operations on kmod_concurrent Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  1:11     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-26 20:03       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] kmod: add test driver to stress test the module loader Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] kmod: add helpers for getting kmod limit Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26  0:56     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-26 20:27       ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2017-05-26  0:16   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] kmod: throttle kmod thread limit Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26 21:12   ` [PATCH v3 0/4] kmod: help make deterministic Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26 21:12     ` [PATCH v3 1/4] module: use list_for_each_entry_rcu() on find_module_all() Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26 21:12     ` [PATCH v3 2/4] kmod: reduce atomic operations on kmod_concurrent and simplify Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-23 19:19       ` [PATCH v4 " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 11:36       ` [PATCH v3 " Petr Mladek
2017-05-26 21:12     ` [PATCH v3 3/4] kmod: add test driver to stress test the module loader Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-05-26 21:12     ` [PATCH v3 4/4] kmod: throttle kmod thread limit Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-22 15:19       ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-23 16:16         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-23 17:56           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-23 19:16             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 10:03               ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-26  9:55           ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-23 19:20       ` [PATCH v4 " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 11:38         ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-28 22:11           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-20 20:56     ` [PATCH v3 0/4] kmod: help make deterministic Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-21  0:23       ` Kees Cook
2017-06-26 21:37         ` Jessica Yu
2017-06-26 22:44           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27  0:27             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27  8:13               ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-27 10:04                 ` Jessica Yu
2017-06-27 15:26             ` Jessica Yu
2017-06-28  0:49               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 22:31     ` [PATCH v4 0/3] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 22:31       ` [PATCH v4 1/3] MAINTAINERS: give kmod some maintainer love Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 22:31       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] kmod: add test driver to stress test the module loader Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 22:31       ` [PATCH v4 3/3] kmod: throttle kmod thread limit Luis R. Rodriguez

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