From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751353AbdH3Hkk (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:40:40 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-f195.google.com ([209.85.128.195]:34321 "EHLO mail-wr0-f195.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751263AbdH3Hkj (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:40:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:40:36 +0200 From: Jiri Pirko To: Vivien Didelot Cc: David Miller , netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel@savoirfairelinux.com, f.fainelli@gmail.com, andrew@lunn.ch, privat@egil-hjelmeland.no, john@phrozen.org, Woojung.Huh@microchip.com, sean.wang@mediatek.com, nikita.yoush@cogentembedded.com, cphealy@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 00/10] net: dsa: add generic debugfs interface Message-ID: <20170830074036.GA1903@nanopsycho> References: <20170828191748.19492-1-vivien.didelot@savoirfairelinux.com> <20170828.213837.1354872205076475221.davem@davemloft.net> <20170829062931.GB1977@nanopsycho.orion> <87ziai4b99.fsf@weeman.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87ziai4b99.fsf@weeman.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 05:57:54PM CEST, vivien.didelot@savoirfairelinux.com wrote: >Hi David, Jiri, > >Jiri Pirko writes: > >> Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 06:38:37AM CEST, davem@davemloft.net wrote: >>>From: Vivien Didelot >>>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:17:38 -0400 >>> >>>> This patch series adds a generic debugfs interface for the DSA >>>> framework, so that all switch devices benefit from it, e.g. Marvell, >>>> Broadcom, Microchip or any other DSA driver. >>> >>>I've been thinking this over and I agree with the feedback given that >>>debugfs really isn't appropriate for this. >>> >>>Please create a DSA device class, and hang these values under >>>appropriate sysfs device nodes that can be easily found via >>>/sys/class/dsa/ just as easily as they would be /sys/kernel/debug/dsa/ >>> >>>You really intend these values to be consistent across DSA devices, >>>and you don't intend to go willy-nilly changig these exported values >>>arbitrarily over time. That's what debugfs is for, throw-away >>>stuff. >>> >>>So please make these proper device sysfs attributes rather than >>>debugfs. >> >> As I wrote, I believe that there is a big overlap with devlink and its >> dpipe subset. I think that primary we should focus on extending whatever >> is needed for dsa there. The iface should be generic for all drivers, >> not only dsa. dsa-specific sysfs attributes should be last-resort solution, >> I believe we can avoid them. > >Please note that this interface is only meant to provide a _debug_ and >_development_ interface to DSA users. It is enableable at compile time >and can be ditched anytime we want, in contrary to other interfaces >which cannot be broken or changed because they are part of the ABI. > >I see sysfs as a script-friendly way to access and configure kernel >structures, so I agree with Jiri that it doesn't seem appropriate. > >Extending devlink is a good option for long term, but it'll take a bit >of time to extend data structures and not duplicate stats and regs >accesses for ports which have a net device attached to it or not. > >In the meantime, I didn't find anything more useful and easier to debug >a switch fabric than dumping side-by-side stats of all ports part of the >data plane, for example like this: So in the meantime, if you need some quick ugly think, you can always have it out of the tree. Sorry but these are just excuses :/ > > # watch -n1 pr -mt {switch0/port5,switch0/port6,switch1/port5,switch1/port3}/stats > >where ports 5 and 6 of both switches are DSA/CPU ports (without net >devices attached to them) and port3 is a user port. This way one can >easily see where and why packets get dropped. > >We could keep this interface and simply ditch net/dsa/debugfs.c when a >convenient devlink alternative is in place. > > >Thanks, > > Vivien