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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>,
	Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matt Benjamin <mbenjami@redhat.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	Justin Mitchell <jumitche@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH nfs-utils v3 00/14] add NFS over AF_VSOCK support
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:56:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170926105626.GH16834@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170926034026.GA19283@fieldses.org>

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 11:40:26PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:08:07PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 22 2017, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > Rather than a flag, it might work to use network namespaces.
> > Very early in the init sequence the filesystem gets mounted using the
> > IPv6 link-local address on a client->host interface, and then a new
> > network namespace is created which does not include that interface, and
> > which everything else including firewall code runs in.  Maybe.
> 
> That seems closer, since it allows you to hide the interface from most
> of the guest while letting some special software--qemu guest agent?--
> still work with it.  That agent would also need to be the one to do the
> mount, and would need to be able to make that mount usable to the rest
> of the guest.
> 
> Sounds doable to me?
> 
> There's still the problem of the paranoid security bureaucracy.
> 
> It should be pretty easy to demonstrate that the host only allows
> point-to-point traffic on these interfaces.  I'd hope that that, plus
> the appeal of the feature, would be enough to win out in the end.  This
> is not a class of problem that I have experience dealing with, though!

Programs wishing to use host<->guest networking might still need the
main network namespace for UNIX domain sockets and other communication.

For example, the QEMU guest agent has a command to report the IP
addresses of the guest.  It must access the main network namespace to
collect this information while using a host<->guest socket to
communicate with the hypervisor.

I think this can be achieved as follows:
1. open /proc/self/ns/net (stash the file descriptor)
2. open /var/run/netns/hvnet & call setns(2) to switch namespaces
3. socket(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, 0) to create host<->guest socket
4. call setns(2) to switch back to main namespace

In other words, the program stays mostly in the main network namespace
and only enters the host<->guest namespace to create sockets.

setns(2) with a network namespace requires CAP_SYS_ADMIN so it's not
very practical.

Is there an alternative that makes using the host<->guest network
namespace less clunky?

Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-26 10:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-13 10:26 [PATCH nfs-utils v3 00/14] add NFS over AF_VSOCK support Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 01/14] mount: don't use IPPROTO_UDP for address resolution Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 02/14] nfs-utils: add vsock.h Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 03/14] nfs-utils: add AF_VSOCK support to sockaddr.h Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 04/14] mount: present AF_VSOCK addresses Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 05/14] mount: accept AF_VSOCK in nfs_verify_family() Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 06/14] mount: generate AF_VSOCK clientaddr Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 07/14] getport: recognize "vsock" netid Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 08/14] mount: AF_VSOCK address parsing Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 09/14] exportfs: introduce host_freeaddrinfo() Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 10/14] exportfs: add AF_VSOCK address parsing and printing Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 11/14] exportfs: add AF_VSOCK support to set_addrlist() Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 12/14] exportfs: add support for "vsock:" exports(5) syntax Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 13/14] nfsd: add --vsock (-v) option to nfsd Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 10:26 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 14/14] tests: add "vsock:" exports(5) test case Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 16:21 ` [PATCH nfs-utils v3 00/14] add NFS over AF_VSOCK support Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-13 18:18   ` [nfsv4] " David Noveck
2017-09-13 18:21     ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-15 11:52       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-13 22:39 ` NeilBrown
2017-09-14 15:39 ` Steve Dickson
2017-09-14 15:55   ` Steve Dickson
2017-09-14 17:37     ` J . Bruce Fields
2017-09-15 11:07       ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-15 15:17         ` J . Bruce Fields
2017-09-15 23:29           ` NeilBrown
2017-09-16 14:55             ` J . Bruce Fields
2017-09-15 13:12       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-15 13:31         ` J . Bruce Fields
2017-09-15 13:59           ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-15 16:42             ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-16 15:55               ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-18 18:09                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-19  9:31                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-19 14:35                     ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-19 15:10                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-19 15:48                         ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-19 16:44                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-19 17:24                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-21 17:00                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-22  9:55                                 ` Steven Whitehouse
2017-09-22 11:32                                   ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-22 12:08                                     ` Matt Benjamin
2017-09-22 12:26                                       ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-22 15:28                                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-22 16:23                                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-22 18:31                                             ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-25  8:14                                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-25 10:31                                                 ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-22 11:43                                   ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-22 11:55                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-22 12:00                                       ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-22 12:10                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-22 19:14                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-25  8:30                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-26  2:08                                       ` NeilBrown
2017-09-26  3:40                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-26 10:56                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2017-09-26 11:07                                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-26 18:32                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-27  0:45                                             ` NeilBrown
2017-09-27 13:05                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-27 22:21                                                 ` NeilBrown
2017-09-28 10:44                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-27 13:35                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-27 22:25                                                 ` NeilBrown
2017-09-26 13:39                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-26 13:42                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-27 12:22                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-27 13:46                                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-28 10:34                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-19 17:37                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-19 19:56                             ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-19 20:42                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-19 21:09                                 ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-20 13:16                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-20 14:40                                     ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-20 14:45                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-09-20 14:59                                         ` Chuck Lever
2017-09-20 15:25                                           ` Frank Filz
2017-09-20 18:17                                             ` Trond Myklebust
2017-09-20 18:34                                               ` bfields
2017-09-20 18:38                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2017-09-21 16:20                                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-20 14:58                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-20 16:39                                       ` J. Bruce Fields

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