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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Oleksandr Andrushchenko <andr2000@gmail.com>
Cc: jgross@suse.com, airlied@linux.ie, gustavo@padovan.org,
	Oleksandr Andrushchenko <oleksandr_andrushchenko@epam.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	seanpaul@chromium.org, daniel.vetter@intel.com,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/9] drm/xen-front: Add support for Xen PV display frontend
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:26:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180301082648.frnslqyhffj2bkwl__39878.2707671218$1519892739$gmane$org@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7e265c53-db9a-0946-6b1c-b946bcbb4100@gmail.com>

  Hi,

> 1. Possible security issues - VirtIO devices are PCI bus masters, thus
> allowing real device (running, for example, in untrusted driver domain)
> to get control over guest's memory by writing to its memory
>
> 2. VirtIO currently uses GFNs written into the shared ring, without Xen
> grants support. This will require generic grant-mapping/sharing layer
> to be added to VirtIO.
> 
> 3. VirtIO requires QEMU PCI emulation for setting up a device. Xen PV
> (and PVH) domains don't use QEMU for platform emulation in order to
> reduce attack surface.  (PVH is in the process of gaining PCI config
> space emulation though, but it is optional, not a requirement)

Well, that is wrong.  virtio doesn't require pci.  There are other
transports (mmio, ccw), and it should be possible to create a xen
specific transport which uses grant tables properly.  Seems there even
was an attempt to implement that in 2011, see 
https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Virtio_On_Xen

> 4. Most of the PV drivers a guest uses at the moment are Xen PV drivers,
> e.g. net,
> block, console, so only virtio-gpu will require QEMU to run.

You are not forced to use qemu, you can certainly create an alternative
host side implementation (and still use on the existing virtio guest
drivers).

Whenever writing a xenbus implementation for both guest and host or
writing a virtio implementation for the host only is better -- dunno.
The virtio path obviously needs some infrastructure work for virtio
support in Xen, which may pay off long term.  Your call.

cheers,
  Gerd


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Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-21  8:03 [PATCH 0/9] drm/xen-front: Add support for Xen PV display frontend Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 1/9] drm/xen-front: Introduce Xen para-virtualized frontend driver Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:19   ` Juergen Gross
2018-02-21  8:19     ` Juergen Gross
2018-02-21  8:47     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:47     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:47       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  9:09       ` Juergen Gross
2018-02-21  9:09         ` Juergen Gross
2018-02-21  9:11         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  9:11           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  9:11         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  9:17   ` [Xen-devel] " Roger Pau Monné
2018-02-21  9:17     ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-02-21  9:42     ` [Xen-devel] " Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  9:42       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21 10:19       ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-02-21 10:19         ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-02-21 10:25         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21 10:25         ` [Xen-devel] " Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21 10:25           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  9:42     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-22 22:23   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-22 22:23     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23  6:37     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  6:37       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:39       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 14:39         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 14:51         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:51         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:51           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  6:37     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 2/9] drm/xen-front: Implement Xen bus state handling Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:23   ` Juergen Gross
2018-02-21  8:23     ` Juergen Gross
2018-02-21  8:50     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:50       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 3/9] drm/xen-front: Read driver configuration from Xen store Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-22 23:20   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-22 23:20     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23  6:46     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  6:46     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  6:46       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 4/9] drm/xen-front: Implement Xen event channel handling Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-22 23:50   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-22 23:50     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23  7:00     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  7:00     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  7:00       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:44       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 14:44         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 14:49         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:49           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:49         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 5/9] drm/xen-front: Implement handling of shared display buffers Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  0:25   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23  0:25     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23  7:53     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  7:53       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:36       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 14:36         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 14:45         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:45         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 14:45           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23  7:53     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 6/9] drm/xen-front: Introduce DRM/KMS virtual display driver Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 15:12   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 15:12     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 15:19     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 15:19     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 15:19       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05  9:13   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05  9:13     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05  9:19     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05  9:19       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05  9:19     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05  9:13   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 7/9] drm/xen-front: Implement KMS/connector handling Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05  9:23   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05  9:23     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05 12:59     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05 12:59       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  7:22       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-06  7:22       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-06  7:22         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-06  7:29         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  7:29           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  7:29         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05 12:59     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05  9:23   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 8/9] drm/xen-front: Implement GEM operations Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 15:26   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 15:26     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-23 15:35     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-23 15:35       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-26 23:47       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-27  6:52         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-27  6:52         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-27  6:52           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-28 19:46           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-28 19:46           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-02-28 19:52             ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-28 19:52               ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-28 19:52             ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-26 23:47       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-03-05  9:32   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05  9:32   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05  9:32     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05 13:46     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05 13:46     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05 13:46       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  7:26       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-06  7:43         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  7:43         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  7:26       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03 ` [PATCH 9/9] drm/xen-front: Implement communication with backend Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-21  8:03   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05  9:25   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05  9:25   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05  9:25     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-05  9:30     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-05  9:30     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  9:26       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-06  9:26         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-06  9:45         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  9:45         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-06  9:26       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-02-21  8:03 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-26  8:21 ` [PATCH 0/9] drm/xen-front: Add support for Xen PV display frontend Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-26  8:21   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-27 12:40   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-27 12:40   ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-27 12:40     ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-28 14:08     ` [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall
2018-03-01  1:42       ` Stefano Stabellini
2018-03-01  1:42       ` [Xen-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2018-03-01  1:42         ` Stefano Stabellini
2018-02-28 14:08     ` Julien Grall
2018-03-01  8:26     ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2018-03-01  8:26     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-03-01  8:26       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-03-01  8:49       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-01  8:49       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-01  8:49         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-02-26  8:21 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2018-03-01  1:14 ` Stefano Stabellini
2018-03-01  1:14 ` Stefano Stabellini
2018-03-01  1:14   ` Stefano Stabellini
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-02-21  8:03 Oleksandr Andrushchenko

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