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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: luto@kernel.org
Cc: alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com, keescook@chromium.org,
	ast@kernel.org, tixxdz@gmail.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	daniel@iogearbox.net, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, mcgrof@kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@fb.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] modules: allow modprobe load regular elf binaries
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 21:31:53 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180308.213153.2003279953084099668.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrV8nPo=_rsSzy3Dt+y09mNgRi2+aYRk0Pj45j6BLRXgAA@mail.gmail.com>

From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 02:12:24 +0000

> First, compile your user code and emit a staitc binary.  Use objdump
> fiddling or a trivial .S file to make that static binary into a
> variable.  Then write a tiny shim module like this:
> 
> extern unsigned char __begin_user_code[], __end_user_code[];
> 
> int __init init_shim_module(void)
> {
>   return call_umh_blob(__begin_user_code, __end_user_code - __begin_user_code);
> }
> 
> By itself, this is clearly a worse solution than yours, but it has two
> benefits, one small and two big.  The small benefit is that it is
> completely invisible to userspace: the .ko file is a bona fide module.

Anything you try to do which makes these binaries "special" is a huge
negative.

> The big benefits are:

I don't see those things as benefits at all, and Alexei's scheme can
easily be made to work in your benefit #1 case too.

It's a user binary.  It's shipped with the kernel and it's signed.

If we can't trust that, we can't trust much else.

And this whole container argument..  It's a mirage.

Kernel modules are 1000 times worse, since they can access any
container and any namespace they want.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-09  2:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-06  1:34 [PATCH net-next] modules: allow modprobe load regular elf binaries Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-06  1:34 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-06  2:13 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-03-06  3:02   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-06  3:02     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-06 11:05 ` Greg KH
2018-03-07  1:07   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-07  1:07     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-07  3:24     ` Greg KH
2018-03-06 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-06 23:42   ` Chris Mason
2018-05-02  9:12     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2018-03-06 20:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 20:26   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-07 17:22 ` David Miller
2018-03-08  1:23 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-08 23:07   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-08 23:07     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  1:58     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-09  0:24 ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09  0:57   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  0:57     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  1:04     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  1:25       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  1:24     ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09  0:59   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  1:20     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  2:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  2:31         ` David Miller [this message]
2018-03-09  3:10           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  3:27         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  1:38     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09  1:44       ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09  3:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09  3:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09  3:54           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  5:08             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 15:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 15:39                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 16:24                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 17:32                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 18:15                       ` Greg KH
2018-03-09 18:23                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 18:29                           ` Greg KH
2018-03-09 18:50                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 18:55                             ` David Miller
2018-03-09 19:37                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-10  1:43                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-11  2:17                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 18:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 18:35                 ` David Miller
2018-03-09 18:43                   ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09 18:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 18:54                       ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09 18:58                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-12 12:02                         ` Edward Cree
2018-03-12 17:49                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 18:48                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 18:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 18:57                     ` David Miller
2018-03-09 19:12                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 19:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 19:45                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-10  2:34                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-10 14:08                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-10 14:08                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-10 15:16                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-10 15:34                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-12 17:22                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-13  8:48                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-03-22 20:54                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-22 22:15                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-22 22:21                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-22 22:21                                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-23  2:47                                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez

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