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From: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] audit: add containerid support for IMA-audit
Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 11:51:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180518155125.ebj33f2xo2p2n4q4__5793.17690940133$1526658620$gmane$org@madcap2.tricolour.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1526647996.3632.164.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>

On 2018-05-18 08:53, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-05-18 at 07:49 -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
> > On 05/17/2018 05:30 PM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > >>> auxiliary record either by being converted to a syscall auxiliary record
> > >>> by using current->audit_context rather than NULL when calling
> > >>> audit_log_start(), or creating a local audit_context and calling
> > >> ima_parse_rule() is invoked when setting a policy by writing it into
> > >> /sys/kernel/security/ima/policy. We unfortunately don't have the
> > >> current->audit_context in this case.
> > > Sure you do.  What process writes to that file?  That's the one we care
> > > about, unless it is somehow handed off to a queue and processed later in
> > > a different context.
> > 
> > I just printk'd it again. current->audit_context is NULL in this case.
> 
> The builtin policy rules are loaded at __init.  Subsequently a custom
> policy can replace the builtin policy rules by writing to the
> securityfs file.  Is the audit_context NULL in both cases?

I wondered the same.

> > >> If so, which ones? We could probably refactor the current
> > >> integrity_audit_message() and have ima_parse_rule() call into it to get
> > >> those fields as well. I suppose adding new fields to it wouldn't be
> > >> considered breaking user space?
> > > Changing the order of existing fields or inserting fields could break
> > > stuff and is strongly discouraged without a good reason, but appending
> > > fields is usually the right way to add information.
> > >
> > > There are exceptions, and in this case, I'd pick the "more standard" of
> > > the formats for AUDIT_INTEGRITY_RULE (ima_audit_measurement?) and stick
> > > with that, abandoning the other format, renaming the less standard
> > > version of the record (ima_parse_rule?) and perhpas adopting that
> > > abandonned format for the new record type while using
> > > current->audit_context.
> 
> This sounds right, other than "type=INTEGRITY_RULE" (1805) for
> ima_audit_measurement().  Could we rename type=1805 to be
> INTEGRITY_AUDIT or INTEGRITY_IMA_AUDIT?  The new type=1806 audit
> message could be named INTEGRITY_RULE or, if that would be confusing,
> INTEGRITY_POLICY_RULE.

I'm reluctant to change the macro/value.  Just use the existing
AUDIT_INTEGRITY_RULE        1805 as appropriate and create a new
AUDIT_INTEGRITY_AUDIT       1806.

> > 1806 would be in sync with INTEGRITY_RULE now for process related info. 
> > If this looks good, I'll remove the dependency on your local context 
> > creation and post the series.
> > 
> > The justification for the change is that the INTEGRITY_RULE, as produced 
> > by ima_parse_rule(), is broken.
> 
> Post which series?  The IMA namespacing patch set?  This change should
> be upstreamed independently of IMA namespacing.
> 
> Mimi
> 

- RGB

--
Richard Guy Briggs <rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Sr. S/W Engineer, Kernel Security, Base Operating Systems
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-18 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-05 13:43 [PATCH] audit: add containerid support for IMA-audit Mimi Zohar
2018-03-05 13:50 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-05 14:24   ` Mimi Zohar
2018-03-05 14:24     ` Mimi Zohar
2018-03-08 11:21     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-08 11:21       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-08 18:02       ` Mimi Zohar
2018-03-08 18:02         ` Mimi Zohar
2018-03-13  5:53         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-13  5:53           ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]         ` <1520532165.3605.51.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-13  5:53           ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]       ` <20180308112104.z67wohdvjqemy7wy-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-08 18:02         ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-17 14:18         ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-17 14:18       ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-17 14:18         ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-17 21:30         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-17 21:30           ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]           ` <20180517213001.62caslkjwv575xgl-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 11:49             ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 11:49           ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 11:49             ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 12:53             ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-18 12:53               ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-18 12:53               ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-18 13:54               ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 13:54                 ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 14:39                 ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-18 14:39                   ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-18 14:52                   ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 14:52                     ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 16:00                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 16:00                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                     ` <1347e0c5-40c9-34a4-9c54-60bd2917b2d7-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 16:00                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 15:56                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 15:56                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 15:56                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 16:34                     ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-18 16:34                       ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-18 16:50                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 16:50                         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-21 17:21                       ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 18:04                         ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                           ` <7abd3460-0797-f003-12c7-7329beb0835b-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-21 18:40                             ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 18:40                           ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 18:40                             ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 18:04                         ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                       ` <1526661264.3404.55.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 16:50                         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-21 17:21                         ` Steve Grubb
     [not found]                     ` <20180518155659.porewd6moctumkys-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 16:34                       ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                   ` <1526654395.3632.196.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 14:52                     ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 15:56                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                 ` <ef567d60-42f7-0a87-8597-1ef381e15be0-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 14:39                   ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]               ` <1526647996.3632.164.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 13:54                 ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 15:51                 ` Richard Guy Briggs [this message]
2018-05-18 15:51               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 15:51                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]             ` <86df5c2c-9db3-21b9-b91b-30a4f53f9504-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 12:53               ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-18 15:45               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 15:45                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 15:45                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 16:49                 ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-18 16:49                   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                   ` <7fdca0e0-19d5-1f08-8aa2-f295ad3a86de-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 17:01                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 17:01                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-18 17:01                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                 ` <20180518154553.dy53m3os7aql3urd-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 16:49                   ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-21 16:58         ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 17:53           ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]             ` <21646a72-e782-e33a-9e75-5cc98b241f36-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-21 18:30               ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 18:30                 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 21:57                 ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-21 21:57                   ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-21 21:57                   ` Stefan Berger
2018-05-22 13:43                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-22 13:43                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                     ` <20180522134346.b3bm7ndfjjchju3b-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-22 14:12                       ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-22 14:12                     ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-22 14:09                   ` Steve Grubb
     [not found]                   ` <e140278a-1494-ec74-f8bb-7fbac676306e-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-22 13:43                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-22 14:09                     ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 17:53           ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]         ` <efb6c164-febe-67bb-43a9-795476c4902f-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-17 21:30           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-21 16:58           ` Steve Grubb
     [not found]     ` <1520259854.10396.313.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-08 11:21       ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]   ` <20180305135008.po6lheqnmkqqo6q4-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-05 14:24     ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found] ` <1520257393.10396.291.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-05 13:50   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-05 13:43 Mimi Zohar

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