From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752724AbeE0Xs7 (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 May 2018 19:48:59 -0400 Received: from ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net ([150.101.137.143]:15684 "EHLO ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752406AbeE0Xs5 (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 May 2018 19:48:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 09:48:54 +1000 From: Dave Chinner To: Michal Hocko Cc: Jonathan Corbet , LKML , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, "Darrick J. Wong" , David Sterba Subject: Re: [PATCH] doc: document scope NOFS, NOIO APIs Message-ID: <20180527234854.GF23861@dastard> References: <20180424183536.GF30619@thunk.org> <20180524114341.1101-1-mhocko@kernel.org> <20180524221715.GY10363@dastard> <20180525081624.GH11881@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180525081624.GH11881@dhcp22.suse.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:16:24AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote: > On Fri 25-05-18 08:17:15, Dave Chinner wrote: > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 01:43:41PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote: > [...] > > > +FS/IO code then simply calls the appropriate save function right at the > > > +layer where a lock taken from the reclaim context (e.g. shrinker) and > > > +the corresponding restore function when the lock is released. All that > > > +ideally along with an explanation what is the reclaim context for easier > > > +maintenance. > > > > This paragraph doesn't make much sense to me. I think you're trying > > to say that we should call the appropriate save function "before > > locks are taken that a reclaim context (e.g a shrinker) might > > require access to." > > > > I think it's also worth making a note about recursive/nested > > save/restore stacking, because it's not clear from this description > > that this is allowed and will work as long as inner save/restore > > calls are fully nested inside outer save/restore contexts. > > Any better? > > -FS/IO code then simply calls the appropriate save function right at the > -layer where a lock taken from the reclaim context (e.g. shrinker) and > -the corresponding restore function when the lock is released. All that > -ideally along with an explanation what is the reclaim context for easier > -maintenance. > +FS/IO code then simply calls the appropriate save function before any > +lock shared with the reclaim context is taken. The corresponding > +restore function when the lock is released. All that ideally along with > +an explanation what is the reclaim context for easier maintenance. > + > +Please note that the proper pairing of save/restore function allows nesting > +so memalloc_noio_save is safe to be called from an existing NOIO or NOFS scope. It's better, but the talk of this being necessary for locking makes me cringe. XFS doesn't do it for locking reasons - it does it largely for preventing transaction context nesting, which has all sorts of problems that cause hangs (e.g. log space reservations can't be filled) that aren't directly locking related. i.e we should be talking about using these functions around contexts where recursion back into the filesystem through reclaim is problematic, not that "holding locks" is problematic. Locks can be used as an example of a problematic context, but locks are not the only recursion issue that require GFP_NOFS allocation contexts to avoid. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david@fromorbit.com