From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTOVK-0003mf-GA for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:25:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTOVF-0005PP-CI for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:25:18 -0400 Received: from mx3-rdu2.redhat.com ([66.187.233.73]:39172 helo=mx1.redhat.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTOVF-0005OQ-3b for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:25:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:25:07 +0100 From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" Message-ID: <20180614092506.GC2616@work-vm> References: <20180603050546.6827-1-zhangckid@gmail.com> <20180603050546.6827-12-zhangckid@gmail.com> <87efhiwy4e.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <87h8m9n7j1.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <20180613165032.GO2676@work-vm> <87sh5pn4hu.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87sh5pn4hu.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 11/17] qapi: Add new command to query colo status List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Markus Armbruster Cc: Zhang Chen , zhanghailiang , Li Zhijian , Juan Quintela , Jason Wang , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini * Markus Armbruster (armbru@redhat.com) wrote: > "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" writes: > > > * Zhang Chen (zhangckid@gmail.com) wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Markus Armbruster > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Zhang Chen writes: > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Markus Armbruster wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Zhang Chen writes: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Libvirt or other high level software can use this command query colo status. > >> > >> > You can test this command like that: > >> > >> > {'execute':'query-colo-status'} > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Signed-off-by: Zhang Chen > [...] > >> > >> > diff --git a/qapi/migration.json b/qapi/migration.json > >> > >> > index 93136ce5a0..356a370949 100644 > >> > >> > --- a/qapi/migration.json > >> > >> > +++ b/qapi/migration.json > >> > >> > @@ -1231,6 +1231,40 @@ > >> > >> > ## > >> > >> > { 'command': 'xen-colo-do-checkpoint' } > >> > >> > > >> > >> > +## > >> > >> > +# @COLOStatus: > >> > >> > +# > >> > >> > +# The result format for 'query-colo-status'. > >> > >> > +# > >> > >> > +# @mode: COLO running mode. If COLO is running, this field will return > >> > >> > +# 'primary' or 'secodary'. > >> > >> > +# > >> > >> > +# @colo-running: true if COLO is running. > >> > >> > +# > >> > >> > +# @reason: describes the reason for the COLO exit. > >> > >> > >> > >> What's the value of @reason before a "COLO exit"? > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > Before a "COLO exit", we just return 'none' in this field. > >> > > >> > Please add that to the documentation. > >> > > >> > >> OK. > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Please excuse my ignorance on COLO... I'm still not sure I fully > >> > understand how the three members are related, or even how the COLO state > >> > machine works and how its related to / embedded in RunState. I searched > >> > docs/ for a state diagram, but couldn't find one. > >> > > >> > According to runstate_transitions_def[], the part of the RunState state > >> > machine that's directly connected to state "colo" looks like this: > >> > > >> > inmigrate -+ > >> > | > >> > paused ----+ > >> > | > >> > migrate ---+-> colo <------> running > >> > | > >> > suspended -+ > >> > | > >> > watchdog --+ > >> > > >> > For each of the seven state transitions: how is the state transition > >> > triggered (e.g. by QMP command, spontaneously when a certain condition > >> > is detected, ...), and what events (if any) are emitted then? > >> > > >> > > >> When you start COLO, the VM always running in "MIGRATION_STATUS_COLO" still > >> occur failover. > >> And in the flow diagram, you can think COLO always running in migrate state. > >> Because into COLO mode, we will control VM state in COLO code itself, for > >> example: > >> When we start COLO, it will do the first migration as normal live > >> migration, after that we will enter > >> the COLO process, at that time COLO think the primary VM state is same with > >> secondary VM(the first checkpoint), > >> so we will use vm_start() start the primary VM(unlike to normal migration) > >> and secondary VM. > >> In this time, primary VM and secondary VM will parallel running, and if > >> COLO found two VM state are > >> not same, it will trigger checkpoint(like another migration). Finally, if > >> occurred some fault that will trigger > >> failover, after that primary VM maybe return to normal running > >> mode(secondary dead). > >> So, if we just see the primary VM state, may be it has out of the RunState > >> state > >> machine or it still in migrate state. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > How is @colo-running related to the run state? > >> > > >> > >> Not related, as I say above. > > > > Right; this is a different type of 'running' - it might be better to say > > 'active' rather than running. > > Rename? > > > COLO has a pair of VMs in sync with a constant stream of migrations > > between them. > > The 'mode' is whether it's the source (primary) or destination (secondary) VM. > > (Also sometimes written PVM/SVM) > > > > If COLO fails for some reason (e.g. the > > secondary host fails) then I think this is saying the 'colo-running' > > would be false. > > > > Some monitoring tool would be watching this to make sure you > > really do have a redundent pair of VMs, and if one of them failed > > you'd want to know and alert. > > Let me try to explain what I learned in my own words, so you can correct > my misunderstandings. > > A VM doing COLO is either the primary or the secondary of a pair. A > monitoring process watches them. Right > At some time, it enters MigrationStatus 'colo'. Peeking at the code, it > looks like it enters it from state 'active', and never leaves it. This > happens after we successfully created the secondary by migrating the > primary. Yes, I think that's right. > Aside: migrate_set_state() appears to do nothing when @old_state doesn't > match @state, yet callers appear to assume it works. Feels brittle. Am > I confused? It's an atomic-compare-exchange used to set the state; most of the time you only care about the fact it's atomic and you know the state you expect to be coming from; normally the cases where this isn't right are failure paths, but those are explicitly checked by checking error states. There are some places where we explicitly check the exchanged value but they're pretty rare, and are normally special cases (e.g. when forcing a cancel). > The monitoring process orchestrates fault tolerance: > > * It initially creates the secondary by migrating the primary. This is > called the first checkpoint. Right. (And the step you haven't mentioned; that we keep sending checkpoints) > * If the primary goes down, the monitor sends x-colo-lost-heartbeat to > the secondary. The secondary becomes the primary, and we create a new > secondary by live-migrating the primary. I don't think there's mechanisms yet for resyncing to bring a failed pair back into a new pair - so you survive one failure at the moment. (I might be wrong, that was the case previously) > * If the secondary goes down or out of sync, we abandon it and send > x-colo-lost-heartbeat to the primary. We can then create a new > secondary by live-migrating the primary. This is called another > checkpoint. Yes > x-colo-lost-heartbeat's doc comment: > > # Tell qemu that heartbeat is lost, request it to do takeover procedures. > # If this command is sent to the PVM, the Primary side will exit COLO mode. > > What does "exiting COLO mode" mean The VM is running unprotected - there's no migration/checkpointing. At that point it's pretty much just a normal VM. > and how is it reflected in > ColoStatus member mode? Do we reenter COLO mode eventually? How? I'm not sure of the status in that case (I'll leave that to Zhang Chen) but at that point it's just a normal VM; so I think we go through the startup-like path of having to do that first migration again. > # If sent to the Secondary, the Secondary side will run failover work, > # then takes over server operation to become the service VM. > > Undefined term "service VM". Do you mean primary VM? I think that means the VM that's actually running the workload; at that point there is no primary/secondary any more because COLO isn't synchronising. > Cases: > > (1) This VM isn't doing COLO. ColoStatus: > > { "mode": "unknown", > "running": false, > "reason": "none" } > > (2) This VM is a COLO primary > > (2a) and it hasn't received x-colo-lost-heartbeat since it last became > primary. ColoStatus: > > { "mode": "primary", > "running": true, # I guess > "reason": "none" } > > (2b) and it has received x-colo-lost-heartbeat since it last became > primary > > { "mode": "primary", > "running": true, # I guess > "reason": "request" } > > (2c) and it has run into some error condition I don't understand (but > probably should) > > { "mode": "primary", > "running": true, # I guess > "reason": "error" } > > (3) This VM is a COLO secondary > > (3a-c) like (2a-c) > > If that's correct (and I doubt it), then @running is entirely redundant: > it's false if and only if @mode is "unknown". That's probably true; both fields do derive from the migration state; I think the mode is primary if you're outgoing migration state is COLO, it's secondary if you're incoming state is COLO, and unknown if neither state is COLO. And 'running' is the OR of those. Note that there's one other piece of state, the 'colo' migration capability (that is displayed in the normal capabilities stuff). So for example, if you're in the process of starting COLO up, your colo capability is set, your migration mode is still normal migration setup/active/complete - so these would still show 'unknown/false/none' which probably could be better. > Speaking of mode "unknown": that's a bad name. "none" would be better. > Or maybe query-colo-status should fail in case (1), to get rid of it at > the interface entirely. > > We really, really, really need a state diagram complete with QMP > commands and events. COLO-FT.txt covers architecture and provides an > example, but it's entirely inadequate at explaining how the QMP commands > and events fit in, and their doc comments don't really help. I feel > this is the reason why we're at v8 and I'm still groping in the dark, > unable to pass judgement on the proposed QAPI schema changes. COLO is a big series that touches lots of bits of QEMU (and has bounced through the hands of a few people); most of the iterations haven't been that much about the interface. Dave > [...] -- Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK