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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	aik@ozlabs.ru, robh@kernel.org, joe@perches.com,
	elfring@users.sourceforge.net, david@gibson.dropbear.id.au,
	jasowang@redhat.com, mpe@ellerman.id.au, linuxram@us.ibm.com,
	haren@linux.vnet.ibm.com, paulus@samba.org,
	srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, robin.murphy@arm.com,
	jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com, marc.zyngier@arm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/4] Virtio uses DMA API for all devices
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 05:30:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180808123036.GA2525@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4b596883892b5cb5560bef26fcd249e7107173ac.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 08:07:49PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> Qemu virtio bypasses that iommu when the VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM flag
> is not set (default) but there's nothing in the device-tree to tell the
> guest about this since it's a violation of our pseries architecture, so
> we just rely on Linux virtio "knowing" that it happens. It's a bit
> yucky but that's now history...

That is ugly as hell, but it is how virtio works everywhere, so nothing
special so far.

> Essentially pseries "architecturally" does not have the concept of not
> having an iommu in the way and qemu violates that architecture today.
> 
> (Remember it comes from pHyp, our priorietary HV, which we are somewhat
> mimmicing here).

It shouldnt be too hard to have a dt property that communicates this,
should it?

> So if we always set VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM, it *will* force all virtio
> through that iommu and performance will suffer (esp vhost I suspect),
> especially since adding/removing translations in the iommu is a
> hypercall.

Well, we'd nee to make sure that for this particular bus we skip the
actualy iommu.

> > It would not be the same effect.  The problem with that is that you must
> > now assumes that your qemu knows that for example you might be passing
> > a dma offset if the bus otherwise requires it. 
> 
> I would assume that arch_virtio_wants_dma_ops() only returns true when
> no such offsets are involved, at least in our case that would be what
> happens.

That would work, but we're really piling hacĸs ontop of hacks here.

> >  Or in other words:
> > you potentially break the contract between qemu and the guest of always
> > passing down physical addresses.  If we explicitly change that contract
> > through using a flag that says you pass bus address everything is fine.
> 
> For us a "bus address" is behind the iommu so that's what
> VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM does already. We don't have the concept of a
> bus address that is different. I suppose it's an ARMism to have DMA
> offsets that are separate from iommus ? 

No, a lot of platforms support a bus address that has an offset from
the physical address. including a lot of power platforms:

arch/powerpc/kernel/pci-common.c:       set_dma_offset(&dev->dev, PCI_DRAM_OFFSET);
arch/powerpc/platforms/cell/iommu.c:            set_dma_offset(dev, cell_dma_nommu_offset);
arch/powerpc/platforms/cell/iommu.c:            set_dma_offset(dev, addr);
arch/powerpc/platforms/powernv/pci-ioda.c:      set_dma_offset(&pdev->dev, pe->tce_bypass_base);
arch/powerpc/platforms/powernv/pci-ioda.c:                      set_dma_offset(&pdev->dev, (1ULL << 32));
arch/powerpc/platforms/powernv/pci-ioda.c:              set_dma_offset(&dev->dev, pe->tce_bypass_base);
arch/powerpc/platforms/pseries/iommu.c:                         set_dma_offset(dev, dma_offset);
arch/powerpc/sysdev/dart_iommu.c:               set_dma_offset(&dev->dev, DART_U4_BYPASS_BASE);
arch/powerpc/sysdev/fsl_pci.c:          set_dma_offset(dev, pci64_dma_offset);

to make things worse some platforms (at least on arm/arm64/mips/x86) can
also require additional banking where it isn't even a single linear map
but multiples windows.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-08 12:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 240+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-20  3:59 [RFC 0/4] Virtio uses DMA API for all devices Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` [RFC 1/4] virtio: Define virtio_direct_dma_ops structure Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-30  9:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31  4:01     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-31  4:01     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` [RFC 2/4] virtio: Override device's DMA OPS with virtio_direct_dma_ops selectively Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-28  8:56   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-28  8:56     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-28 21:16     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30  4:15       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  4:15         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:30       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31  6:39         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-31  6:39         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:30       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-28 21:16     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30  9:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31  7:00     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-31  7:00     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-20  3:59 ` [RFC 3/4] virtio: Force virtio core to use DMA API callbacks for all virtio devices Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20  3:59 ` [RFC 4/4] virtio: Add platform specific DMA API translation for virito devices Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20 13:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-20 13:15     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-23  2:16     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-23  2:16       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-25  4:30       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-25  4:30         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-25 13:31       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-25 13:31       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-20  3:59 ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-20 13:16 ` [RFC 0/4] Virtio uses DMA API for all devices Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-20 13:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-23  6:28   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-23  9:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-23  9:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-25  3:26       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-27 11:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-27 11:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-28  8:37           ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-28  8:37             ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-25  3:26       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-23  6:28   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-27  9:58 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-27  9:58   ` Will Deacon
2018-07-27  9:58   ` Will Deacon
2018-07-27 10:58   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-27 10:58   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-07-30  9:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-30  9:34     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-30 10:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 10:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 11:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-30 11:18         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-30 13:26         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 13:26           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-31 17:30           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31 17:30             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-07-31 20:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-07-31 20:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-01  8:16               ` Will Deacon
2018-08-01  8:16               ` Will Deacon
2018-08-01  8:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-01  8:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-01  8:36                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-01  9:05                   ` Will Deacon
2018-08-01  9:05                     ` Will Deacon
2018-08-01 22:41                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-01 22:41                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-01 22:35                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-01 22:35                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 15:24                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 15:24                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 15:41                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 15:41                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 16:01                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 16:01                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 17:19                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 17:19                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 17:53                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 17:53                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 20:52                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 20:52                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 21:13                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 21:13                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 21:51                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 21:51                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03  7:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03  7:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03 15:58                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-03 15:58                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-03 16:02                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03 16:02                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03 18:58                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-03 18:58                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  8:21                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-04  8:21                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05  1:10                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  1:10                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  1:10                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  7:29                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05  7:29                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05 21:16                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05 21:16                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05 21:30                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05 21:30                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06  9:42                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06  9:42                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 19:52                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 19:52                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:21                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:42                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:42                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07 13:55                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07 20:32                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07 20:32                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-08  6:31                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-08  6:31                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-08 10:07                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-08 10:07                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-08 12:30                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2018-08-08 13:18                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-08 13:18                                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-08 20:31                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-08 22:13                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-08 22:13                                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-09  2:00                                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-09  2:00                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-09  5:40                                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-09  5:40                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-07  0:09                                                                           ` Jiandi An
2018-09-10  6:19                                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-10  6:19                                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-10  8:53                                                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-09-10  8:53                                                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-08-08 20:31                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-08 12:30                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07 13:55                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:21                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03 19:07                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03 19:07                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-04  1:11                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:11                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:16                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:16                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:22                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  4:52                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  4:52                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 13:46                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 19:56                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 19:56                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 20:35                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 21:26                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 21:26                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 21:46                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 21:46                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 22:13                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 22:13                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 23:16                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 23:16                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 23:45                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07  0:18                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  0:18                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:32                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:32                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 23:45                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07  6:27                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:27                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:44                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:44                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:18                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:18                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:16                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:16                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 23:18                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-06 23:18                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-07  6:12                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-07  6:12                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 20:35                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 13:46                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  0:22                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-04  1:18                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:18                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:22                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:22                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:23                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  0:23                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03 19:17                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03 19:17                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-04  8:15                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-04  8:15                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05  0:09                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  0:09                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  1:11                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  1:11                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  7:25                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05  7:25                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-05  0:53                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:53                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:27                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  0:27                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 14:05                   ` Will Deacon
2018-08-06 14:05                   ` Will Deacon
2018-08-01 21:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-01 21:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 15:33                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 15:33                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-02 20:53                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03  7:06                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03  7:06                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-02 20:53                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 20:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-02 20:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-03  2:41   ` Jason Wang
2018-08-03  2:41     ` Jason Wang
2018-08-03 19:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-04  1:21       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-04  1:21         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-05  0:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-05  0:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06  9:02           ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-08-06  9:02             ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-08-06 13:36             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 13:36               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 15:24               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 16:06                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 16:06                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 16:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 16:10                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 16:13                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 16:13                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-06 16:34                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 16:34                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-06 15:24               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-08-03 19:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-20  3:59 Anshuman Khandual

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