All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: luca abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>
To: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com>
Cc: Tim Blechmann <tim@klingt.org>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <daniel@bristot.me>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it>
Subject: Re: SCHED_DEADLINE as user
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:58:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180823145817.53361e32@luca64> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180823123739.GC31443@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:37:39 +0200
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23/08/18 12:43, luca abeni wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:23:50 +0200
> > Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > But then what is a sane inheritance mechanism?  
> > 
> > In my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong), this is an
> > orthogonal issue: if I understand well, the issue preventing
> > non-root usage of SCHED_DEADLINE is that a task inheriting a dl
> > entity is not throttled (when the current runtime rrives to 0, the
> > deadline is postponed, but the task stays schedulable). So, I think
> > that removing this behaviour should allow to use SCHED_DEADLINE
> > without starving other tasks...  
> 
> Right, potential starvation would be gone...
> 
> > Then, there is the issue about the deadline and runtime to inherit.
> > And I agree that this is important (and the solution is not easy),
> > but you have this issue even if you use the current "dl_boosted"
> > behaviour... No?  
> 
> ... but, while it's true that current inheritance has problems w/ o
> w/o boosting behaviour, I wonder if the problem might be more painful
> for a normal user that it's still under runtime enforcement.

I think that the only way to have an answer to this doubt is to try :)


> Disabling
> enforcement seems to hide a bit the fact that we need proper
> inheritance. :-(

My impression is that it hides the problem in some situations, but
the Murphy law ensures that the issue will appear when the quality of
the audio is more important :)


			Luca

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-23 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-15  6:08 SCHED_DEADLINE as user Tim Blechmann
2018-08-15  8:21 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2018-08-17  9:51   ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-17 10:08     ` Tim Blechmann
2018-08-17 10:28       ` Juri Lelli
     [not found]         ` <513fd544-bc51-7ea6-8b94-983d28922a66@klingt.org>
2018-08-20  8:54           ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-20 11:54             ` Tim Blechmann
2018-08-20 12:38               ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2018-08-20 13:55                 ` Tim Blechmann
     [not found]                   ` <e207a65d-b1af-3fb1-8802-d1c05c0a9118@bristot.me>
     [not found]                     ` <05fbd5a4-f354-e084-cf40-8488548d7cb1@klingt.org>
2018-08-21  6:55                       ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2018-08-21  7:38                       ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-22  8:49                         ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-21  7:17               ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2018-08-21  7:59                 ` Tim Blechmann
2018-08-23  9:56             ` luca abeni
2018-08-23 10:23               ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-23 10:43                 ` luca abeni
2018-08-23 12:37                   ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-23 12:58                     ` luca abeni [this message]
2018-08-23 13:00                     ` luca abeni
2018-08-23 13:09                       ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-23 13:30                         ` luca abeni
2018-08-23 13:45                       ` Gene Heskett
2018-08-23 16:01                         ` Chris Friesen
2018-08-23 18:07                           ` Gene Heskett

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20180823145817.53361e32@luca64 \
    --to=luca.abeni@santannapisa.it \
    --cc=daniel@bristot.me \
    --cc=juri.lelli@gmail.com \
    --cc=linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=tim@klingt.org \
    --cc=tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.