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From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	nhorman@redhat.com, npmccallum@redhat.com,
	linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Serge Ayoun <serge.ayoun@intel.com>,
	"open list:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)" 
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 09/13] x86/sgx: Enclave Page Cache (EPC) memory manager
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:22:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180828212244.GA29488@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <132d309d-77e2-52ed-7251-abb2c80cdf49@intel.com>

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 07:07:33AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 08/28/2018 01:35 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 02:15:34PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> >> On 08/27/2018 11:53 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> >>> +struct sgx_epc_page_ops {
> >>> +	bool (*get)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +	void (*put)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +	bool (*reclaim)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +	void (*block)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +	void (*write)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +};
> >> Why do we need a fancy, slow (retpoline'd) set of function pointers when
> >> we only have one user of these (the SGX driver)?
> > KVM has its own implementation for these operations.
> 
> That belongs in the changelog.
> 
> Also, where is the implementation?  How can we assess this code that was
> built to create an abstraction without both of the users?

I can provide an early preview of the KVM reclaim code, but honestly
I think that would do more harm than good.  The VMX architecture for
EPC reclaim is complex, even for SGX standards.  Opening that can of
worms would likely derail this discussion.  That being said, this
abstraction isn't exactly what KVM will need, but it's pretty close
and gives us something to build on.

Regardless, this layer of indirection is justifiable even with a
single implementation.  Reclaiming an EPC page is not a simple matter
of copying the data somewhere else and marking the page not present.
Actual eviction requires a reference to the Secure Enclave Control
Structure (SECS) of the enclave that owns the page.  Software needs
to ensure it doesn't violate the hardware-enforced access rules, e.g.
most reclaim activites need to be done under a per-enclave lock.
Not all pages have the same reclaim rules, e.g. an SECS can only
be reclaimed after all its child pages have reclaimed, a VA page
doesn't need to be blocked, etc...  And the list goes on...

All of the tracking metadata and logic about what can be evicted when
resides in the driver component[1], e.g. the core SGX code doesn't
even have a software representation of an enclave.  Alternatively the
driver could provide a single "do_reclaim" function if we wanted to
avoid a fancy abstraction layer, and in fact that's how I initially
implemented the abstraction, but that approach has it's own warts and
in a lot of ways makes the end result more complex.

Ultimately, moving pages in/out of the EPC is so abysmally slow that
the raw performance of software is almost completely irrelevant.  The
algorithms certainly matter, but optimizing away things like function
pointers definitely takes a back seat to just about everything else.

[1] Early versions of SGX support tried to put all EPC management in
    the driver, but that approach caused major problems for KVM (even
    without reclaim support) and received a less than enthusiastic
    response from the community.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	<x86@kernel.org>, <platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org>,
	<nhorman@redhat.com>, <npmccallum@redhat.com>,
	<linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Serge Ayoun <serge.ayoun@intel.com>,
	"open list:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 09/13] x86/sgx: Enclave Page Cache (EPC) memory manager
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:22:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180828212244.GA29488@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <132d309d-77e2-52ed-7251-abb2c80cdf49@intel.com>

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 07:07:33AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 08/28/2018 01:35 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 02:15:34PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> >> On 08/27/2018 11:53 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> >>> +struct sgx_epc_page_ops {
> >>> +	bool (*get)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +	void (*put)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +	bool (*reclaim)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +	void (*block)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +	void (*write)(struct sgx_epc_page *epc_page);
> >>> +};
> >> Why do we need a fancy, slow (retpoline'd) set of function pointers when
> >> we only have one user of these (the SGX driver)?
> > KVM has its own implementation for these operations.
> 
> That belongs in the changelog.
> 
> Also, where is the implementation?  How can we assess this code that was
> built to create an abstraction without both of the users?

I can provide an early preview of the KVM reclaim code, but honestly
I think that would do more harm than good.  The VMX architecture for
EPC reclaim is complex, even for SGX standards.  Opening that can of
worms would likely derail this discussion.  That being said, this
abstraction isn't exactly what KVM will need, but it's pretty close
and gives us something to build on.

Regardless, this layer of indirection is justifiable even with a
single implementation.  Reclaiming an EPC page is not a simple matter
of copying the data somewhere else and marking the page not present.
Actual eviction requires a reference to the Secure Enclave Control
Structure (SECS) of the enclave that owns the page.  Software needs
to ensure it doesn't violate the hardware-enforced access rules, e.g.
most reclaim activites need to be done under a per-enclave lock.
Not all pages have the same reclaim rules, e.g. an SECS can only
be reclaimed after all its child pages have reclaimed, a VA page
doesn't need to be blocked, etc...  And the list goes on...

All of the tracking metadata and logic about what can be evicted when
resides in the driver component[1], e.g. the core SGX code doesn't
even have a software representation of an enclave.  Alternatively the
driver could provide a single "do_reclaim" function if we wanted to
avoid a fancy abstraction layer, and in fact that's how I initially
implemented the abstraction, but that approach has it's own warts and
in a lot of ways makes the end result more complex.

Ultimately, moving pages in/out of the EPC is so abysmally slow that
the raw performance of software is almost completely irrelevant.  The
algorithms certainly matter, but optimizing away things like function
pointers definitely takes a back seat to just about everything else.

[1] Early versions of SGX support tried to put all EPC management in
    the driver, but that approach caused major problems for KVM (even
    without reclaim support) and received a less than enthusiastic
    response from the community.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-28 21:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 259+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-27 18:53 [PATCH v13 00/13] Intel SGX1 support Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 01/13] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 12:56   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-03 12:56     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-03 19:10     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 19:10       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 02/13] x86/cpufeature: Add SGX and SGX_LC CPU features Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  0:07   ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-28  0:07     ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-28  0:07     ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-28  7:17     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  7:17       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-29  7:36       ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-29  7:36         ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-29  7:36         ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-31 12:19         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 12:19           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 12:19           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 16:18   ` Dr. Greg
2018-08-31 16:18     ` Dr. Greg
2018-08-31 16:18     ` Dr. Greg
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 03/13] x86/cpufeatures: Add Intel-defined SGX leaf CPUID_12_EAX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 19:39   ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:39     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:39     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:39     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28  7:23     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  7:23       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28 10:21   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-08-28 10:21     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-08-28 10:38     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28 10:38       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28 10:38       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 04/13] x86/sgx: Architectural structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 19:41   ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:41     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:41     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28  8:08     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 13:16   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-03 13:16     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-03 19:17     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 19:17       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 16:04     ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-04 16:04       ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-04 16:06       ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04 16:06         ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-05 17:32       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-05 17:32         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 05/13] x86/msr: Add SGX definitions to msr-index.h Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 19:42   ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:42     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:42     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28  8:11     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:11       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:11       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 06/13] x86/sgx: Detect Intel SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 19:53   ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:53     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 19:53     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28  8:28     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 14:26   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-03 14:26     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04  9:56     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04  9:56       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 07/13] x86/sgx: Add data structures for tracking the EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 21:07   ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 21:07     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 21:07     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 10:30     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28 10:30       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28 10:30       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28 16:53       ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 16:53         ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 16:53         ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 21:34         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-28 21:34           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-28 21:34           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-31 11:13           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 11:13             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 11:13             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 11:10         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 11:10           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 11:10           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 14:41   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-03 14:41     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04  9:59     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04  9:59       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 17:49     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-04 17:49       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-04 18:01       ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04 18:01         ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04 18:17         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-04 18:17           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-05 17:36           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-05 17:36             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 08/13] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 15:01   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-03 15:01     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04 11:09     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 11:09       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 09/13] x86/sgx: Enclave Page Cache (EPC) memory manager Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 21:14   ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 21:14     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 21:14     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28  8:36     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:36       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:36       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 21:15   ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 21:15     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-27 21:15     ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28  8:35     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:35       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:35       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28 14:07       ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 14:07         ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 14:07         ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 21:22         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2018-08-28 21:22           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-28 21:22           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-28 21:26           ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 21:26             ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 21:26             ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-28 21:52             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-28 21:52               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-28 21:52               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-31 11:22           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 11:22             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 11:22             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 19:02   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-03 19:02     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04 15:38     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 15:38       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 15:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-04 15:45         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-11 15:04   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-11 15:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-11 15:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-16 11:40     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-16 11:40       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-16 11:40       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 10/13] x86/sgx: Add sgx_einit() for initializing enclaves Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 21:41   ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-27 21:41     ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-27 21:41     ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-28  7:01     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  7:01       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-29  7:33       ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-29  7:33         ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-29  7:33         ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-29 20:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-29 20:33           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-29 20:58           ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-29 20:58             ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-29 20:58             ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-29 21:09             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-29 21:09               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-30  1:45               ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-30  1:45                 ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-30  1:45                 ` Huang, Kai
2018-08-31 17:43                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-31 17:43                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-31 21:34                   ` Dr. Greg
2018-08-31 21:34                     ` Dr. Greg
2018-08-31 21:34                     ` Dr. Greg
2018-09-03 19:27                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 19:27                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 18:15                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 18:15                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 12:17         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 12:17           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-31 18:15           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-08-31 18:15             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-03 19:19             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 19:19               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 23:45               ` Huang, Kai
2018-09-03 23:45                 ` Huang, Kai
2018-09-03 23:45                 ` Huang, Kai
2018-09-04 14:54                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-04 14:54                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-04 15:30                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 15:30                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 16:35                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-04 16:35                       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-04 22:13                       ` Huang, Kai
2018-09-04 22:13                         ` Huang, Kai
2018-09-04 22:13                         ` Huang, Kai
2018-09-05 17:39                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-05 17:39                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 15:26                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 15:26                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-03 13:53   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-03 13:53     ` Jann Horn
2018-09-04  9:55     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04  9:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 16:05   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04 16:05     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 11/13] platform/x86: Intel SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-04 17:59   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-04 17:59     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-05 17:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-05 17:33       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-05 17:36       ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-05 17:36         ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-09-06  9:21         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-06  9:21           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-06 17:35           ` Miguel Ojeda
2018-09-06 17:35             ` Miguel Ojeda
2018-09-07  0:50             ` Joe Perches
2018-09-07  0:50               ` Joe Perches
2018-09-07 17:02               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-07 17:02                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-07 17:02                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-10 18:37               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-10 18:37                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-10 21:22                 ` Joe Perches
2018-09-10 21:22                   ` Joe Perches
2018-09-10 18:33             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-10 18:33               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 12/13] platform/x86: ptrace() support for the " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53 ` [PATCH v13 13/13] x86/sgx: Driver documentation Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 18:53   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-27 19:40   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-08-27 19:40     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-08-28  7:58     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  7:58       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:03   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-08-28  8:03     ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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