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* GPL compliance issue with liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin firmware
@ 2018-08-27 15:01 Florian Weimer
  2018-08-28  0:04 ` Felix Manlunas
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Florian Weimer @ 2018-08-27 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-firmware
  Cc: netdev, Derek Chickles, Satanand Burla, Felix Manlunas,
	Raghu Vatsavayi, Manish Awasthi

liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin contains a compiled MIPS Linux kernel:

$ tail --bytes=+1313 liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin > elf
$ readelf -aW elf
[…]
   [ 6] __ksymtab         PROGBITS        ffffffff80e495f8 64a5f8 00d130 
00   A  0   0  8
   [ 7] __ksymtab_gpl     PROGBITS        ffffffff80e56728 657728 008400 
00   A  0   0  8
   [ 8] __ksymtab_strings PROGBITS        ffffffff80e5eb28 65fb28 018868 
00   A  0   0  1
[…]
Symbol table '.symtab' contains 1349 entries:
    Num:    Value          Size Type    Bind   Vis      Ndx Name
      0: 0000000000000000     0 NOTYPE  LOCAL  DEFAULT  UND
      1: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS 
arch/mips/kernel/head.o
      2: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS init/main.c
      3: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS 
include/linux/types.h
[…]

Yet there is no corresponding source provided, and LICENCE.cavium lacks 
the required notices.

Thanks,
Florian

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* Re: GPL compliance issue with liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin firmware
  2018-08-27 15:01 GPL compliance issue with liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin firmware Florian Weimer
@ 2018-08-28  0:04 ` Felix Manlunas
  2018-08-29 20:26   ` Ben Hutchings
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Felix Manlunas @ 2018-08-28  0:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Florian Weimer
  Cc: linux-firmware, netdev, Derek Chickles, Satanand Burla,
	Felix Manlunas, Raghu Vatsavayi, Manish Awasthi,
	Manojkumar.Panicker

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 05:01:10PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin contains a compiled MIPS Linux kernel:
> 
> $ tail --bytes=+1313 liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin > elf
> $ readelf -aW elf
> […]
>   [ 6] __ksymtab         PROGBITS        ffffffff80e495f8 64a5f8 00d130
> 00   A  0   0  8
>   [ 7] __ksymtab_gpl     PROGBITS        ffffffff80e56728 657728 008400
> 00   A  0   0  8
>   [ 8] __ksymtab_strings PROGBITS        ffffffff80e5eb28 65fb28 018868
> 00   A  0   0  1
> […]
> Symbol table '.symtab' contains 1349 entries:
>    Num:    Value          Size Type    Bind   Vis      Ndx Name
>      0: 0000000000000000     0 NOTYPE  LOCAL  DEFAULT  UND
>      1: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS
> arch/mips/kernel/head.o
>      2: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS init/main.c
>      3: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS
> include/linux/types.h
> […]
> 
> Yet there is no corresponding source provided, and LICENCE.cavium lacks
> the required notices.
> 
> Thanks,
> Florian

Cavium apologizes for the oversight.  Cavium has been advertising the
appropriate license terms including the existence of GPL in the firmware
in our outbox releases. We will update the license terms in LICENCE.cavium
in our upstream contribution in collaboration with our legal team.

Felix

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* Re: GPL compliance issue with liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin firmware
  2018-08-28  0:04 ` Felix Manlunas
@ 2018-08-29 20:26   ` Ben Hutchings
  2018-09-07 22:58     ` Felix Manlunas
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Ben Hutchings @ 2018-08-29 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felix Manlunas, Florian Weimer
  Cc: linux-firmware, netdev, Derek Chickles, Satanand Burla,
	Felix Manlunas, Raghu Vatsavayi, Manish Awasthi,
	Manojkumar.Panicker

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On Mon, 2018-08-27 at 17:04 -0700, Felix Manlunas wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 05:01:10PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin contains a compiled MIPS Linux kernel:
> > 
> > $ tail --bytes=+1313 liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin > elf
> > $ readelf -aW elf
> > […]
> >   [ 6] __ksymtab         PROGBITS        ffffffff80e495f8 64a5f8 00d130
> > 00   A  0   0  8
> >   [ 7] __ksymtab_gpl     PROGBITS        ffffffff80e56728 657728 008400
> > 00   A  0   0  8
> >   [ 8] __ksymtab_strings PROGBITS        ffffffff80e5eb28 65fb28 018868
> > 00   A  0   0  1
> > […]
> > Symbol table '.symtab' contains 1349 entries:
> >    Num:    Value          Size Type    Bind   Vis      Ndx Name
> >      0: 0000000000000000     0 NOTYPE  LOCAL  DEFAULT  UND
> >      1: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS
> > arch/mips/kernel/head.o
> >      2: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS init/main.c
> >      3: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS
> > include/linux/types.h
> > […]
> > 
> > Yet there is no corresponding source provided, and LICENCE.cavium lacks
> > the required notices.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Florian
> 
> Cavium apologizes for the oversight.  Cavium has been advertising the
> appropriate license terms including the existence of GPL in the firmware
> in our outbox releases. We will update the license terms in LICENCE.cavium
> in our upstream contribution in collaboration with our legal team.

Everything added to linux-firmware.git needs to be safe for Linux
distributions to redistribute.  (There are some ancient firmware images
with unclear licensing, but we don't want to add any more.)

My understanding is that GPL v2 requires that commercial distributors
either provide the complete and corresponding source alongside the
binaries, or include a written offer to provide it later.  They
*cannot* simply point to your offer to do this (only non-commercial
distributors can do that).  So the source needs to be published too.

Adding the complete Linux kernel source code to linux-firmware.git
doesn't seem like a sensible step, so maybe this particular firmware
needs to live elsewhere.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
For every complex problem
there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.



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* Re: GPL compliance issue with liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin firmware
  2018-08-29 20:26   ` Ben Hutchings
@ 2018-09-07 22:58     ` Felix Manlunas
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Felix Manlunas @ 2018-09-07 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ben Hutchings
  Cc: Florian Weimer, linux-firmware, netdev, Derek Chickles,
	Satanand Burla, Felix Manlunas, Raghu Vatsavayi, Manish Awasthi,
	Manojkumar.Panicker

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:26:35PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:26:35 +0100
> From: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
> To: Felix Manlunas <felix.manlunas@cavium.com>, Florian Weimer
>  <fweimer@redhat.com>
> CC: linux-firmware@kernel.org, "netdev@vger.kernel.org"
>  <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, Derek Chickles
>  <derek.chickles@caviumnetworks.com>, Satanand Burla
>  <satananda.burla@caviumnetworks.com>, Felix Manlunas
>  <felix.manlunas@caviumnetworks.com>, Raghu Vatsavayi
>  <raghu.vatsavayi@caviumnetworks.com>, Manish Awasthi
>  <manish.awasthi@cavium.com>, Manojkumar.Panicker@cavium.com
> Subject: Re: GPL compliance issue with liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin firmware
> User-Agent: Evolution 3.29.92-1 
> 
> On Mon, 2018-08-27 at 17:04 -0700, Felix Manlunas wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 05:01:10PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > > liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin contains a compiled MIPS Linux kernel:
> > > 
> > > $ tail --bytes=+1313 liquidio/lio_23xx_vsw.bin > elf
> > > $ readelf -aW elf
> > > […]
> > >   [ 6] __ksymtab         PROGBITS        ffffffff80e495f8 64a5f8 00d130
> > > 00   A  0   0  8
> > >   [ 7] __ksymtab_gpl     PROGBITS        ffffffff80e56728 657728 008400
> > > 00   A  0   0  8
> > >   [ 8] __ksymtab_strings PROGBITS        ffffffff80e5eb28 65fb28 018868
> > > 00   A  0   0  1
> > > […]
> > > Symbol table '.symtab' contains 1349 entries:
> > >    Num:    Value          Size Type    Bind   Vis      Ndx Name
> > >      0: 0000000000000000     0 NOTYPE  LOCAL  DEFAULT  UND
> > >      1: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS
> > > arch/mips/kernel/head.o
> > >      2: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS init/main.c
> > >      3: 0000000000000000     0 FILE    LOCAL  DEFAULT  ABS
> > > include/linux/types.h
> > > […]
> > > 
> > > Yet there is no corresponding source provided, and LICENCE.cavium lacks
> > > the required notices.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Florian
> > 
> > Cavium apologizes for the oversight.  Cavium has been advertising the
> > appropriate license terms including the existence of GPL in the firmware
> > in our outbox releases. We will update the license terms in LICENCE.cavium
> > in our upstream contribution in collaboration with our legal team.
> 
> Everything added to linux-firmware.git needs to be safe for Linux
> distributions to redistribute.  (There are some ancient firmware images
> with unclear licensing, but we don't want to add any more.)
> 
> My understanding is that GPL v2 requires that commercial distributors
> either provide the complete and corresponding source alongside the
> binaries, or include a written offer to provide it later.  They
> *cannot* simply point to your offer to do this (only non-commercial
> distributors can do that).  So the source needs to be published too.
> 
> Adding the complete Linux kernel source code to linux-firmware.git
> doesn't seem like a sensible step, so maybe this particular firmware
> needs to live elsewhere.
> 
> Ben.

Apologies for the delay. We're committed to provide sources for the GPL
components of LiquidIO firmware.

After Cavium's recent merger with Marvell, we are revisiting our Licensing
and expect to share the updated license soon. Since keeping Linux kernel
source code in linux-firmware.git doesn't make sense to us too, we're also
working internally on identifying the appropriate mechanism to share those
sources when requested.  That said, it is our opinion that for all
practical purposes (for example, distribution of driver + firmware) the
firmware binary for LiquidIO adapters should continue to reside in the
linux-firmware.git as long as all the prerequisites for sharing the
firmware are met.  In the case of liquidio_23xx_vsw.bin, this would mean an
additional license type in the LICENCE.cavium file for this firmware
including a reference to the accompanying sources for the Linux kernel
bundled in the firmware.

As we understand, there is no precedent in the linux-firmware.git for
device firmware that include a Linux kernel so we also request comments
from community on the best ways to support the LiquidIO firmware and
similar firmwares that may appear in future.

Cavium LiquidIO Team

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