From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A83ECE562 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823E6206B7 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="ClgPLOyF" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 823E6206B7 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=kernel.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1731236AbeISQIE (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 Sep 2018 12:08:04 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.133]:50880 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728059AbeISQIE (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 Sep 2018 12:08:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To: From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=iqr09i23TZhkGDBYDAY58mBBUgRGl1Cde3DyDerKDpY=; b=ClgPLOyFxw0g+wcyf3qr20SrG Hbr1T19nN79o/85riL0kHYQtCgVdbB6+SUXqysSM0tCTjtJvZBHK8/JBTcp7h2ZLjLcdVf9YmJ4e0 jsAbFw3lOCNzgv44X1Ik2p95uWOh4NS4bE67sEpz/pRW8lrszuMINWTCaPu8DzBBVmXhiiofc3Rbq iBHvA9hlBtOjwPKVeE2Z/nRXSD9XD1ARkvdQF7fvVX5Vh1Ia9seSgxLXofP3z1F6mhbOO/KaguImT jfkxKFLj/7WS1yea6DAQ+Tq7cwxnlItcUvbHmKurnC7JxQloteTABQKYgDxhUkRtcojjqd354yvZj YH+HJMqng==; Received: from 177.41.113.87.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br ([177.41.113.87] helo=coco.lan) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1g2Zki-0002kk-CT; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:30:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:30:30 -0300 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Pavel Machek Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Lukas Wunner , Chris Mason , Dan Williams , Jonathan Corbet , Olof Johansson , Steven Rostedt , Linus Torvalds , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. Message-ID: <20180919073030.3629bc7f@coco.lan> In-Reply-To: <20180918191613.GD4501@amd> References: <20180917114852.hzo36b2fewdzqc4t@wunner.de> <20180917122430.GA3320@kroah.com> <20180918191613.GD4501@amd> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Em Tue, 18 Sep 2018 21:16:14 +0200 Pavel Machek escreveu: > On Mon 2018-09-17 14:24:30, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 01:48:52PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote: =20 > > > Seriously though, I read this to know what I need to be aware of but = oddly > > > the language of this paragraph says it doesn't apply to me: I'm not = using > > > an official project e-mail address nor an official social media accou= nt, > > > nor has anyone appointed me as representative. I can live with that,= I'm > > > just wondering what the benefit of a document is that only seems to a= pply > > > to a tiny fraction of the community. =20 > >=20 > > I do not think you are reading the document correctly. As an example, > > it should cover any emails sent to this list. That is not a "tiny > > fraction" by my last count :) =20 >=20 > In typical "being nice but not really honest", you failed to answer > the other question in this comment. >=20 > Lukas asked: >=20 > > > to a tiny fraction of the community. Has this CoC been discussed > > > anywhere? > > > I'm not seeing it in the LKML or ksummit-discuss archive. =20 >=20 > And yes, I see problems with this CoC. You seriously expect "all > maintainers" to ban Al Viro for commenting in his usual funny way? >=20 > Derogatory comments are now prohibited, so what you do now when > receiving bad code? Ignore it completely? _That_ is evil. >=20 > What is wrong with =E2=80=99s in the document? Normal ascii is '. Same mi= stake > was in Linus' announcement. Does it have same author? >=20 > Publishing email address without explicit permission is now > prohibited. WTF? How does that interact with signoffs? Merging GPLed > code is no longer allowed when the original author can not be reached? >=20 > Who is author of the document? First signoff is by Chris Mason (is > that signoff chain real?) but Greg is listed as author. >=20 > The document does not describe current practices. It was not > discussed. Yet it states that contributors pledge... and it tries to > speak for me? That does not exactly sound like a positive environment > to me. >=20 > No thanks, Agreed. Despite its "welcoming/nice language" (whatever it is), the way=20 it was written I can't see any good coming from it. It reminds code of=20 conducts used by some radical groups where it is up to the neighbors to apply surveillance over their communities, in order to punish them. Also, it turns maintainers into baby-sitters, forcing them to do a lot of non-technical stuff in order to punish bad behaviors. When they fail[1], the maintainers get punished. [1] Maintainers sooner or later will fail: no maintainer I know has PhD on psychology (or whatever it is required) in order to teach good manners to grown ups.=20 Also, how someone would avoid a misconduct on "public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community"? That basically states that no maintainer or Kernel developer can ever be drunk on a LF party. Sorry guys, no more beer :-) (nor Scotch while in Edinburgh) Thanks, Mauro