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From: Yi Zhang <yi.z.zhang@linux.intel.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Pasha Tatashin" <pavel.tatashin@microsoft.com>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"Linux MM" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com, alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Defer ZONE_DEVICE page initialization to the point where we init pgmap
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:39:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181011083953.GB51021@tiger-server> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4inUwyYEEQ_qh5GTRxUo+JLt+caz_3mtg79DpfQSUdG5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 2018-10-10 at 11:18:49 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:30 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed 10-10-18 09:39:08, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > > On 10/10/2018 2:58 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Tue 09-10-18 13:26:41, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > I would think with that being the case we still probably need the call to
> > > > > __SetPageReserved to set the bit with the expectation that it will not be
> > > > > cleared for device-pages since the pages are not onlined. Removing the call
> > > > > to __SetPageReserved would probably introduce a number of regressions as
> > > > > there are multiple spots that use the reserved bit to determine if a page
> > > > > can be swapped out to disk, mapped as system memory, or migrated.
> > > >
> > > > PageReserved is meant to tell any potential pfn walkers that might get
> > > > to this struct page to back off and not touch it. Even though
> > > > ZONE_DEVICE doesn't online pages in traditional sense it makes those
> > > > pages available for further use so the page reserved bit should be
> > > > cleared.
> > >
> > > So from what I can tell that isn't necessarily the case. Specifically if the
> > > pagemap type is MEMORY_DEVICE_PRIVATE or MEMORY_DEVICE_PUBLIC both are
> > > special cases where the memory may not be accessible to the CPU or cannot be
> > > pinned in order to allow for eviction.
> >
> > Could you give me an example please?
> >
> > > The specific case that Dan and Yi are referring to is for the type
> > > MEMORY_DEVICE_FS_DAX. For that type I could probably look at not setting the
> > > reserved bit. Part of me wants to say that we should wait and clear the bit
> > > later, but that would end up just adding time back to initialization. At
> > > this point I would consider the change more of a follow-up optimization
> > > rather than a fix though since this is tailoring things specifically for DAX
> > > versus the other ZONE_DEVICE types.
> >
> > I thought I have already made it clear that these zone device hacks are
> > not acceptable to the generic hotplug code. If the current reserve bit
> > handling is not correct then give us a specific reason for that and we
> > can start thinking about the proper fix.
> >
> 
> Right, so we're in a situation where a hack is needed for KVM's
> current interpretation of the Reserved flag relative to dax mapped
> pages. I'm arguing to push that knowledge / handling as deep as
> possible into the core rather than hack the leaf implementations like
> KVM, i.e. disable the Reserved flag for all non-MEMORY_DEVICE_*
> ZONE_DEVICE types.
> 
> Here is the KVM thread about why they need a change:
> 
>     https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/7/552
> 
> ...and where I pushed back on a KVM-local hack:
> 
>     https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/19/154
Yeah, Thank Dan, I think I can going on with something like this:

@@ -5589,6 +5589,7 @@ void __ref memmap_init_zone_device(struct zone *zone,
 		struct page *page = pfn_to_page(pfn);
 
 		__init_single_page(page, pfn, zone_idx, nid);
+		/* Could we move this a little bit earlier as I can
+		 * direct use is_dax_page(page), or something else?
+		 */
+		page->pgmap = pgmap;
 
 		/*
 		 * Mark page reserved as it will need to wait for onlining
@@ -5597,14 +5598,14 @@ void __ref memmap_init_zone_device(struct zone *zone,
 		 * We can use the non-atomic __set_bit operation for setting
 		 * the flag as we are still initializing the pages.
 		 */
-		__SetPageReserved(page);
+		 if(!is_dax_page(page))
+			__SetPageReserved(page);
 
 		/*
 		 * ZONE_DEVICE pages union ->lru with a ->pgmap back
 		 * pointer and hmm_data.  It is a bug if a ZONE_DEVICE
 		 * page is ever freed or placed on a driver-private list.
 		 */
-		page->pgmap = pgmap;
 		page->hmm_data = 0;


After Alex's patch merged.
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From: Yi Zhang <yi.z.zhang@linux.intel.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: "Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com,
	"Linux MM" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	"Pasha Tatashin" <pavel.tatashin@microsoft.com>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Defer ZONE_DEVICE page initialization to the point where we init pgmap
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:39:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181011083953.GB51021@tiger-server> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4inUwyYEEQ_qh5GTRxUo+JLt+caz_3mtg79DpfQSUdG5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 2018-10-10 at 11:18:49 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:30 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed 10-10-18 09:39:08, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > > On 10/10/2018 2:58 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Tue 09-10-18 13:26:41, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > I would think with that being the case we still probably need the call to
> > > > > __SetPageReserved to set the bit with the expectation that it will not be
> > > > > cleared for device-pages since the pages are not onlined. Removing the call
> > > > > to __SetPageReserved would probably introduce a number of regressions as
> > > > > there are multiple spots that use the reserved bit to determine if a page
> > > > > can be swapped out to disk, mapped as system memory, or migrated.
> > > >
> > > > PageReserved is meant to tell any potential pfn walkers that might get
> > > > to this struct page to back off and not touch it. Even though
> > > > ZONE_DEVICE doesn't online pages in traditional sense it makes those
> > > > pages available for further use so the page reserved bit should be
> > > > cleared.
> > >
> > > So from what I can tell that isn't necessarily the case. Specifically if the
> > > pagemap type is MEMORY_DEVICE_PRIVATE or MEMORY_DEVICE_PUBLIC both are
> > > special cases where the memory may not be accessible to the CPU or cannot be
> > > pinned in order to allow for eviction.
> >
> > Could you give me an example please?
> >
> > > The specific case that Dan and Yi are referring to is for the type
> > > MEMORY_DEVICE_FS_DAX. For that type I could probably look at not setting the
> > > reserved bit. Part of me wants to say that we should wait and clear the bit
> > > later, but that would end up just adding time back to initialization. At
> > > this point I would consider the change more of a follow-up optimization
> > > rather than a fix though since this is tailoring things specifically for DAX
> > > versus the other ZONE_DEVICE types.
> >
> > I thought I have already made it clear that these zone device hacks are
> > not acceptable to the generic hotplug code. If the current reserve bit
> > handling is not correct then give us a specific reason for that and we
> > can start thinking about the proper fix.
> >
> 
> Right, so we're in a situation where a hack is needed for KVM's
> current interpretation of the Reserved flag relative to dax mapped
> pages. I'm arguing to push that knowledge / handling as deep as
> possible into the core rather than hack the leaf implementations like
> KVM, i.e. disable the Reserved flag for all non-MEMORY_DEVICE_*
> ZONE_DEVICE types.
> 
> Here is the KVM thread about why they need a change:
> 
>     https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/7/552
> 
> ...and where I pushed back on a KVM-local hack:
> 
>     https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/19/154
Yeah, Thank Dan, I think I can going on with something like this:

@@ -5589,6 +5589,7 @@ void __ref memmap_init_zone_device(struct zone *zone,
 		struct page *page = pfn_to_page(pfn);
 
 		__init_single_page(page, pfn, zone_idx, nid);
+		/* Could we move this a little bit earlier as I can
+		 * direct use is_dax_page(page), or something else?
+		 */
+		page->pgmap = pgmap;
 
 		/*
 		 * Mark page reserved as it will need to wait for onlining
@@ -5597,14 +5598,14 @@ void __ref memmap_init_zone_device(struct zone *zone,
 		 * We can use the non-atomic __set_bit operation for setting
 		 * the flag as we are still initializing the pages.
 		 */
-		__SetPageReserved(page);
+		 if(!is_dax_page(page))
+			__SetPageReserved(page);
 
 		/*
 		 * ZONE_DEVICE pages union ->lru with a ->pgmap back
 		 * pointer and hmm_data.  It is a bug if a ZONE_DEVICE
 		 * page is ever freed or placed on a driver-private list.
 		 */
-		page->pgmap = pgmap;
 		page->hmm_data = 0;


After Alex's patch merged.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-11  2:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-25 20:18 [PATCH v5 0/4] Address issues slowing persistent memory initialization Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:18 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:19 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] mm: Remove now defunct NO_BOOTMEM from depends list for deferred init Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:19   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 21:05   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-09-25 21:05     ` Mike Rapoport
2018-09-25 20:20 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] mm: Provide kernel parameter to allow disabling page init poisoning Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:20   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:26   ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 20:26     ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 20:38     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:38       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 22:14       ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 22:14         ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 22:14         ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 22:27         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 22:27           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 22:27           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26  7:38   ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26  7:38     ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26 15:24     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26 15:39       ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26 15:39         ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26 15:41       ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 15:41         ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 16:18         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26 15:36     ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 22:36       ` Andrew Morton
2018-09-26 22:36         ` Andrew Morton
2018-09-25 20:20 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] mm: Create non-atomic version of SetPageReserved for init use Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:20   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:21 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Defer ZONE_DEVICE page initialization to the point where we init pgmap Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:21   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26  7:55   ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26 18:25     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26 18:25       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26 18:52       ` Dan Williams
2018-09-26 18:52         ` Dan Williams
2018-09-27 11:20         ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 11:20           ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 11:09       ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 11:09         ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 12:25         ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-27 13:13           ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 14:50             ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-27 14:50               ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-27 14:50               ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-27 15:41               ` David Hildenbrand
2018-09-27 15:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-09-28  8:12             ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-28  8:12               ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-28  8:44               ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-28  8:44                 ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-28 15:50                 ` Dan Williams
2018-09-28 15:50                   ` Dan Williams
2018-09-27 12:32       ` Oscar Salvador
2018-10-08 21:01   ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 21:01     ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 21:38     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 21:38       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:00       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 22:00         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 22:00         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 22:07         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:07           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:36         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:36           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:59           ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 23:34     ` [mm PATCH] memremap: Fix reference count for pgmap in devm_memremap_pages Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 23:34       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-09  0:20       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09  0:20         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09 17:00   ` [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Defer ZONE_DEVICE page initialization to the point where we init pgmap Yi Zhang
2018-10-09 17:00     ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-09 18:04     ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09 18:04       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09 20:26       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-09 20:26         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-09 21:19         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09 21:19           ` Dan Williams
2018-10-10 12:52           ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-10 12:52             ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-10 15:27             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 15:27               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-11  8:17               ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-11  8:17                 ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-10  9:58         ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 16:39           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 16:39             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 17:24             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 17:24               ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 17:39               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 17:39                 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 17:53                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 17:53                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 18:13                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 18:13                     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 18:52                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 18:52                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-11  8:55                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-11  8:55                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-11 17:38                     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-11 18:22                       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-11 18:22                         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-17  7:52                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-17  7:52                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-17 15:02                         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-17 15:02                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 14:12                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 14:12                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 15:59                             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 15:59                               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 15:59                               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 16:35                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 16:35                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:01                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 17:24                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:24                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:34                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-10-29 17:34                                       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-29 17:45                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:45                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:42                                     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 17:42                                       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 18:18                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 18:18                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 19:59                                         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 19:59                                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-30  6:29                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30  6:29                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30  6:55                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-10-30  8:17                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30  8:17                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30 15:57                                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-10-30  8:05                                           ` Oscar Salvador
2018-10-29 15:49                           ` Dan Williams
2018-10-29 15:49                             ` Dan Williams
2018-10-29 15:56                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 18:18               ` Dan Williams
2018-10-10 18:18                 ` Dan Williams
2018-10-11  8:39                 ` Yi Zhang [this message]
2018-10-11  8:39                   ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-11 15:38                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-11 15:38                     ` Alexander Duyck

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