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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Dmitriy Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] lockdep: Use line-buffered printk() for lockdep messages.
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 13:46:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181123124647.jmewvgrqdpra7wbm@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <deb8d78b-0593-2b8e-1c7a-9203aa77005f@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>

On Sat 2018-11-10 11:42:03, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> On 2018/11/10 0:43, Petr Mladek wrote:
> >> + * Line buffered printk() tries to assign a buffer when printk() from a new
> >> + * context identifier comes in. And it automatically releases that buffer when
> >> + * one of three conditions listed below became true.
> >> + *
> >> + *   (1) printk() from that context identifier emitted '\n' as the last
> >> + *       character of output.
> >> + *   (2) printk() from that context identifier tried to print a too long line
> >> + *       which cannot be stored into a buffer.
> >> + *   (3) printk() from a new context identifier noticed that some context
> >> + *       identifier is reserving a buffer for more than 10 seconds without
> >> + *       emitting '\n'.
> >> + *
> >> + * Since (3) is based on a heuristic that somebody forgot to emit '\n' as the
> >> + * last character of output(), pr_cont()/KERN_CONT users are expected to emit
> >> + * '\n' within 10 seconds even if they reserved a buffer.
> > 
> > This is my main concern about this approach. It is so easy to omit
> > the final '\n'.
> 
> If it is so easy to forget the final '\n', there will be a lot of implicit
> pr_cont() users (because pr_cont() assumes that previous printk() omitted the
> final '\n'), and "I am going to investigate much more pr_cont() users." will
> be insufficient for getting meaningful conclusion.
> 
> Checking "lack of the the final '\n'" means that we need to check
> "all printk() users who are not emitting the final '\n'" and evaluate
> "whether there is a possibility that subsequent printk() will not be
>  called from that context due to e.g. conditional branches". That is an
> impossible task for anybody, for there might be out-of-tree code doing it.
> > 
> > They are currently delayed until another printk(). Even this is bad.
> > Unfortunately we could not setup timer from printk() because it
> > would add more locks into the game.
> 
> We could use interval timer for flushing incomplete line.

I am more and more wondering if the buffered printk is worth
the effort. The more buffers we use the more we risk that nobody
would see some important message. Even a part of the line
might be crucial in some situations.

Steven told me on Plumbers conference that even few initial
characters saved him a day few times.


> But updating printk() users to always end with '\n' will be preferable.

This sounds like a whack a mole game. If I get it correctly, you write
that it is "an impossible task for anybody" just few lines above.

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-23 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-02 13:31 [PATCH v6 1/3] printk: Add line-buffered printk() API Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 13:31 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: Use line-buffered printk() for show_free_areas() Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 14:07   ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-02 13:31 ` [PATCH 3/3] lockdep: Use line-buffered printk() for lockdep messages Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 13:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-03  2:00     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-06  8:38     ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-06  9:05       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-06 12:57         ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-06  9:56       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 15:19   ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08  4:45     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-08 11:37       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-09  6:12         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09  9:55           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-09 15:43             ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-10  2:42               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 12:46                 ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2018-11-23 13:12                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 15:56                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-24  0:24                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-26  4:34                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-28 13:29                     ` David Laight
2018-11-29 10:09                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-30 16:01                         ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-10  8:52               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 12:52                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-09 14:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-09 14:42             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-08 11:53       ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 12:44         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-08 14:21           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09  9:54     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 14:40 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] printk: Add line-buffered printk() API Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-03  1:55   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 18:12 ` kbuild test robot
2018-11-02 18:12   ` kbuild test robot
2018-11-06 14:35 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-07 10:21   ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 12:54     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-08  2:21     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-08 11:24       ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 11:46         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-08 12:30         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09 14:10           ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-12  7:59             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-12 10:42               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-17 10:14               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 10:52   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 11:01     ` David Laight
2018-11-07 12:00       ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 11:45     ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08  2:30     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-07 13:41 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 14:06 ` Petr Mladek

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