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From: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Pavel Tatashin <pavel.tatashin@microsoft.com>,
	Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, Arun KS <arunks@codeaurora.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Rashmica Gupta <rashmica.g@gmail.com>,
	"K. Y. Srinivasan" <kys@microsoft.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Michael Neuling <mikey@neuling.>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFCv2 0/4] mm/memory_hotplug: Introduce memory block types
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2018 00:48:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181201004836.jr6r3vyenpph3agj__29053.1457787894$1543625268$gmane$org@master> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181130175922.10425-1-david@redhat.com>

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 06:59:18PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>This is the second approach, introducing more meaningful memory block
>types and not changing online behavior in the kernel. It is based on
>latest linux-next.
>
>As we found out during dicussion, user space should always handle onlining
>of memory, in any case. However in order to make smart decisions in user
>space about if and how to online memory, we have to export more information
>about memory blocks. This way, we can formulate rules in user space.
>
>One such information is the type of memory block we are talking about.
>This helps to answer some questions like:
>- Does this memory block belong to a DIMM?
>- Can this DIMM theoretically ever be unplugged again?
>- Was this memory added by a balloon driver that will rely on balloon
>  inflation to remove chunks of that memory again? Which zone is advised?
>- Is this special standby memory on s390x that is usually not automatically
>  onlined?
>
>And in short it helps to answer to some extend (excluding zone imbalances)
>- Should I online this memory block?
>- To which zone should I online this memory block?
>... of course special use cases will result in different anwers. But that's
>why user space has control of onlining memory.
>
>More details can be found in Patch 1 and Patch 3.
>Tested on x86 with hotplugged DIMMs. Cross-compiled for PPC and s390x.
>
>
>Example:
>$ udevadm info -q all -a /sys/devices/system/memory/memory0
>	KERNEL=="memory0"
>	SUBSYSTEM=="memory"
>	DRIVER==""
>	ATTR{online}=="1"
>	ATTR{phys_device}=="0"
>	ATTR{phys_index}=="00000000"
>	ATTR{removable}=="0"
>	ATTR{state}=="online"
>	ATTR{type}=="boot"
>	ATTR{valid_zones}=="none"
>$ udevadm info -q all -a /sys/devices/system/memory/memory90
>	KERNEL=="memory90"
>	SUBSYSTEM=="memory"
>	DRIVER==""
>	ATTR{online}=="1"
>	ATTR{phys_device}=="0"
>	ATTR{phys_index}=="0000005a"
>	ATTR{removable}=="1"
>	ATTR{state}=="online"
>	ATTR{type}=="dimm"
>	ATTR{valid_zones}=="Normal"
>
>
>RFC -> RFCv2:
>- Now also taking care of PPC (somehow missed it :/ )
>- Split the series up to some degree (some ideas on how to split up patch 3
>  would be very welcome)
>- Introduce more memory block types. Turns out abstracting too much was
>  rather confusing and not helpful. Properly document them.
>
>Notes:
>- I wanted to convert the enum of types into a named enum but this
>  provoked all kinds of different errors. For now, I am doing it just like
>  the other types (e.g. online_type) we are using in that context.
>- The "removable" property should never have been named like that. It
>  should have been "offlinable". Can we still rename that? E.g. boot memory
>  is sometimes marked as removable ...
>

This make sense to me. Remove usually describe physical hotplug phase,
if I am correct. 

-- 
Wei Yang
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-01  0:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-30 17:59 [PATCH RFCv2 0/4] mm/memory_hotplug: Introduce memory block types David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` [PATCH RFCv2 1/4] " David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-01  1:25   ` Wei Yang
2018-12-01  1:25   ` Wei Yang
2018-12-01  1:25     ` Wei Yang
2018-12-01  1:25     ` Wei Yang
2018-12-01  1:25     ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 10:32     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 10:32     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 10:32       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 10:32       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 10:32       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 20:58       ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 20:58         ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 20:58         ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 20:58         ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 20:58         ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 20:58       ` Wei Yang
2018-11-30 17:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` [PATCH RFCv2 2/4] mm/memory_hotplug: Replace "bool want_memblock" by "int type" David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-01  1:50   ` Wei Yang
2018-12-01  1:50   ` Wei Yang
2018-12-01  1:50     ` Wei Yang
2018-12-01  1:50     ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 10:33     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 10:33       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 10:33       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 10:33     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` [PATCH RFCv2 3/4] mm/memory_hotplug: Introduce and use more memory types David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-04  9:44   ` Michal Suchánek
2018-12-04  9:44   ` Michal Suchánek
2018-12-04  9:44     ` Michal Suchánek
2018-12-04  9:44     ` Michal Suchánek
2018-12-04  9:44     ` Michal Suchánek
2018-12-04  9:47     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-04  9:47     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-04  9:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-04  9:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-04  9:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` [PATCH RFCv2 4/4] mm/memory_hotplug: Drop MEMORY_TYPE_UNSPECIFIED David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-01  0:48 ` Wei Yang [this message]
2018-12-01  0:48 ` [PATCH RFCv2 0/4] mm/memory_hotplug: Introduce memory block types Wei Yang
2018-12-01  0:48   ` Wei Yang
2018-12-01  0:48   ` Wei Yang
2018-12-20 12:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-20 12:58   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-20 12:58   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-20 13:08   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-20 13:08   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-20 13:08     ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-20 13:08     ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-20 13:16     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-20 13:16     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-20 13:16       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-20 13:16       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-03-27 16:03     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-03-27 16:03     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-03-27 16:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-03-27 16:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-20 12:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 17:59 David Hildenbrand

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