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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Chris Down <chris@chrisdown.name>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>, Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: Consider subtrees in memory.events
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:37:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190125173713.GD20411@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190125165152.GK50184@devbig004.ftw2.facebook.com>

On Fri 25-01-19 08:51:52, Tejun Heo wrote:
[...]
> > I do see your point about consistency. But it is also important to
> > consider the usability of this interface. As already mentioned, catching
> > an oom event at a level where the oom doesn't happen and having hard
> > time to identify that place without races is a not a straightforward API
> > to use. So it might be really the case that the api is actually usable
> > for its purpose.
> 
> What if a user wants to monitor any ooms in the subtree tho, which is
> a valid use case?

How is that information useful without know which memcg the oom applies
to?

> If local event monitoring is useful and it can be,
> let's add separate events which are clearly identifiable to be local.
> Right now, it's confusing like hell.

From a backward compatible POV it should be a new interface added.
Please note that I understand that this might be confusing with the rest
of the cgroup APIs but considering that this is the first time somebody
is actually complaining and the interface is "production ready" for more
than three years I am not really sure the situation is all that bad.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Chris Down <chris@chrisdown.name>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>, Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: Consider subtrees in memory.events
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:37:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190125173713.GD20411@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190125165152.GK50184@devbig004.ftw2.facebook.com>

On Fri 25-01-19 08:51:52, Tejun Heo wrote:
[...]
> > I do see your point about consistency. But it is also important to
> > consider the usability of this interface. As already mentioned, catching
> > an oom event at a level where the oom doesn't happen and having hard
> > time to identify that place without races is a not a straightforward API
> > to use. So it might be really the case that the api is actually usable
> > for its purpose.
> 
> What if a user wants to monitor any ooms in the subtree tho, which is
> a valid use case?

How is that information useful without know which memcg the oom applies
to?

> If local event monitoring is useful and it can be,
> let's add separate events which are clearly identifiable to be local.
> Right now, it's confusing like hell.

>From a backward compatible POV it should be a new interface added.
Please note that I understand that this might be confusing with the rest
of the cgroup APIs but considering that this is the first time somebody
is actually complaining and the interface is "production ready" for more
than three years I am not really sure the situation is all that bad.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-25 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-23 22:31 [PATCH 2/2] mm: Consider subtrees in memory.events Chris Down
2019-01-24  0:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2019-01-24  1:03   ` Chris Down
2019-01-24  8:22 ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-24 15:21   ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-24 15:51     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-24 16:00   ` Johannes Weiner
2019-01-24 17:01     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-24 18:23       ` Johannes Weiner
2019-01-25  8:42         ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-25 16:51           ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-25 17:37             ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2019-01-25 17:37               ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-25 18:28               ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-28 12:51                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-28 14:28                   ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-28 14:52                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-28 14:54                       ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-28 15:18                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-28 15:41                           ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-28 17:05                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-28 17:49                               ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-29 14:43                                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-29 14:52                                   ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-30 16:50                                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-30 17:06                                       ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-30 17:41                                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-30 17:52                                           ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-30 18:16                                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-30 19:11                                         ` Shakeel Butt
2019-01-30 19:11                                           ` Shakeel Butt
2019-01-30 19:27                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2019-01-30 19:30                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2019-01-30 19:37                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2019-01-30 19:37                                                 ` Shakeel Butt
2019-01-30 19:23                   ` Johannes Weiner
2019-01-30 20:05                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-30 21:31                       ` Johannes Weiner
2019-01-31  8:58                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31 16:22                           ` Johannes Weiner
2019-02-01 10:27                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-02-01 16:34                               ` Johannes Weiner
2019-01-28 15:59                 ` Shakeel Butt
2019-01-28 15:59                   ` Shakeel Butt
2019-01-28 16:05                   ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-28 16:08                     ` Shakeel Butt
2019-01-28 16:08                       ` Shakeel Butt
2019-01-28 16:12                       ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-28 14:30 ` Tejun Heo
2019-02-08 22:43 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm: Rename ambiguously named memory.stat counters and functions Chris Down
2019-02-08 22:44   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mm: Consider subtrees in memory.events Chris Down
2019-02-11 19:01     ` Johannes Weiner
2019-02-11 18:55   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm: Rename ambiguously named memory.stat counters and functions Johannes Weiner

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