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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCHSET] sorting out RCU-delayed stuff in ->destroy_inode()
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 05:00:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190430040043.GH23075@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wiMvCR0iENUVorfU-3EMC7G8RNSeHSQrz9tndP1uSg2BQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 08:37:29PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 20:09 Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> >
> > ... except that this callback can (and always could) get executed after
> > freeing struct super_block.
> >
> 
> Ugh.
> 
> That food looks nasty. Shouldn't the super block freeing wait for the
> filesystem to be all done instead? Do a rcu synchronization or something?
> 
> Adding that pointer looks really wrong to me. I'd much rather delay the sb
> freeing. Is there some reason that can't be done that I'm missing?

Where would you put that synchronize_rcu()?  Doing that before ->put_super()
is too early - inode references might be dropped in there.  OTOH, doing
that after that point means that while struct super_block itself will be
there, any number of data structures hanging from it might be not.

So we are still very limited in what we can do inside ->free_inode()
instance *and* we get bunch of synchronize_rcu() for no good reason.

Note that for normal lockless accesses (lockless ->d_revalidate(), ->d_hash(),
etc.) we are just fine with having struct super_block freeing RCU-delayed
(along with any data structures we might need) - the superblock had
been seen at some point after we'd taken rcu_read_lock(), so its
freeing won't happen until we drop it.  So we don't need synchronize_rcu()
for that.

Here the problem is that we are dealing with another RCU callback;
synchronize_rcu() would be needed for it, but it will only protect that
intermediate dereference of ->i_sb; any rcu-delayed stuff scheduled
from inside ->put_super() would not be ordered wrt ->free_inode().
And if we are doing that just for the sake of that one dereference,
we might as well do it before scheduling i_callback().

PS: we *are* guaranteed that module will still be there (unregister_filesystem()
does synchronize_rcu() and rcu_barrier() is done before kmem_cache_destroy()
in assorted exit_foo_fs()).

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-30  4:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-16 17:49 [RFC][PATCHSET] sorting out RCU-delayed stuff in ->destroy_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52 ` [RFC PATCH 01/62] securityfs: fix use-after-free on symlink traversal Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 02/62] apparmorfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 03/62] new inode method: ->free_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 04/62] spufs: switch to ->free_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 05/62] erofs: " Al Viro
2019-04-18 14:01     ` Gao Xiang
2019-04-18 14:01       ` Gao Xiang
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 06/62] 9p: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 07/62] adfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 08/62] affs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 09/62] befs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 10/62] bfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 11/62] bdev: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 12/62] cifs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 13/62] debugfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 14/62] efs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 15/62] ext2: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 16/62] f2fs: " Al Viro
2019-04-20  2:52     ` Chao Yu
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 17/62] fat: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 18/62] freevxfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 19/62] gfs2: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 20/62] hfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:52   ` [RFC PATCH 21/62] hfsplus: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 22/62] hostfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 23/62] hpfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 24/62] isofs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 25/62] jffs2: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 26/62] minix: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 27/62] nfs{,4}: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 28/62] nilfs2: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 29/62] dlmfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 30/62] ocfs2: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 31/62] openpromfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 32/62] procfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 33/62] qnx4: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 34/62] qnx6: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 35/62] reiserfs: convert " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 36/62] romfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 37/62] squashfs: switch " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 38/62] ubifs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 39/62] udf: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 40/62] sysv: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 41/62] coda: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 42/62] ufs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 43/62] mqueue: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 44/62] bpf: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 18:07     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-04-16 21:34       ` Song Liu
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 45/62] rpcpipe: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 46/62] apparmor: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 47/62] securityfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 48/62] ntfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 49/62] dax: make use of ->free_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-18 12:16     ` Jan Kara
2019-04-18 16:58       ` Dan Williams
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 50/62] afs: switch to " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 51/62] btrfs: use ->free_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 52/62] ceph: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 53/62] ecryptfs: make use of ->free_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 54/62] ext4: " Al Viro
2019-04-18 12:10     ` Jan Kara
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 55/62] fuse: switch to ->free_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 56/62] jfs: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 57/62] overlayfs: make use of ->free_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 58/62] hugetlb: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 59/62] shmem: " Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 60/62] orangefs: " Al Viro
2019-04-22 21:14     ` Mike Marshall
2019-04-22 21:56       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-22 23:10         ` Al Viro
2019-04-22 23:17           ` Mike Marshall
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 61/62] sockfs: switch to ->free_inode() Al Viro
2019-04-16 17:53   ` [RFC PATCH 62/62] coallocate socket->wq with socket itself Al Viro
2019-04-16 18:01 ` [RFC][PATCHSET] sorting out RCU-delayed stuff in ->destroy_inode() Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30  3:09   ` Al Viro
     [not found]     ` <CAHk-=wiMvCR0iENUVorfU-3EMC7G8RNSeHSQrz9tndP1uSg2BQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-04-30  4:00       ` Al Viro [this message]
2019-05-01  1:59         ` Al Viro
2019-04-30  4:18     ` Andreas Dilger
2019-04-30  4:26       ` Al Viro
2019-04-30  5:26         ` Andreas Dilger
2019-04-17 15:55 ` David Sterba

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