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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Scott Wood <swood@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH RT 4/4] rcutorture: Avoid problematic critical section nesting
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 16:59:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190621235955.GK26519@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190621163821.rm2rhsnvfo5tnjul@linutronix.de>

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 06:38:21PM +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2019-06-20 14:18:26 [-0700], Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > Example #1:
> > > 
> > > 1. preempt_disable()
> > > 2. local_bh_disable()
> > > 3. preempt_enable()
> > > 4. local_bh_enable()
> > > 
> > > Example #2:
> > > 
> > > 1. rcu_read_lock()
> > > 2. local_irq_disable()
> > > 3. rcu_read_unlock()
> > > 4. local_irq_enable()
> > > 
> > > Example #3:
> > > 
> > > 1. preempt_disable()
> > > 2. local_irq_disable()
> > > 3. preempt_enable()
> > > 4. local_irq_enable()
> > 
> > OK for -rt, but as long as people can code those sequences without getting
> > their wrists slapped, RCU needs to deal with it.  So I cannot accept
> > this in mainline at the current time.  Yes, I will know when it is safe
> > to accept it when rcutorture's virtual wrist gets slapped in mainline.
> 
> All three examples are not symmetrical so if people use this mainline
> then they should get their wrists slapped. Since RT trips over each one
> of those I try to get rid of them if I notice something like that.
> 
> In example #3 you would lose a scheduling event if TIF_NEED_RESCHED gets
> set between step 1 and 2 (as local schedule requirement) because the
> preempt_enable() would trigger schedule() which does not happen due to
> IRQ-off.

I have no objection to the outlawing of a number of these sequences in
mainline, but am rather pointing out that until they really are outlawed
and eliminated, rcutorture must continue to test them in mainline.
Of course, an rcutorture running in -rt should avoid testing things that
break -rt, including these sequences.

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-22  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-19  1:19 [PATCH RT 0/4] Address rcutorture issues Scott Wood
2019-06-19  1:19 ` [PATCH RT 1/4] rcu: Acquire RCU lock when disabling BHs Scott Wood
2019-06-20 20:53   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-20 21:06     ` Scott Wood
2019-06-20 21:20       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-20 21:38         ` Scott Wood
2019-06-20 22:16           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-19  1:19 ` [PATCH RT 2/4] sched: migrate_enable: Use sleeping_lock to indicate involuntary sleep Scott Wood
2019-06-19  1:19 ` [RFC PATCH RT 3/4] rcu: unlock special: Treat irq and preempt disabled the same Scott Wood
2019-06-20 21:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-20 21:59     ` Scott Wood
2019-06-20 22:25       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-20 23:08         ` Scott Wood
2019-06-22  0:26           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-22 19:13             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-24 17:40               ` Scott Wood
2019-06-19  1:19 ` [RFC PATCH RT 4/4] rcutorture: Avoid problematic critical section nesting Scott Wood
2019-06-20 21:18   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-20 21:43     ` Scott Wood
2019-06-21 16:38     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-06-21 23:59       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2019-06-26 15:08         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-06-26 16:49           ` Scott Wood
2019-06-27 18:00             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-27 20:16               ` Scott Wood
2019-06-27 20:50                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-27 22:46                   ` Scott Wood
2019-06-28  0:52                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-28 19:37                       ` Scott Wood
2019-06-28 20:24                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-20 19:12 ` [PATCH RT 0/4] Address rcutorture issues Paul E. McKenney

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